Absolute safest hardcore build?
On a low to average budget in a new league for your first character.
To me summoners do not count. They can still get one-hit by a Brutus cage or something. They are very squishy IF hit unless they have godlike gear. And that hit is gonna come sooner or later. I'm looking for a build that is so tanky you can survive a full dominus/malachai skill on merc right in your face and shrug of the damage and live. Or a merc piety laser or 2 in your face (lag spike) and you live. So it must be something with armor (evasion still too risky imo even with pseudo rng), extremely high HP or ES (I guess HP because ES is kinda nerfed), highest possible resistances and preferably ranged or using some minions to draw agro away from you. If the clearspeed suffers, I do not care. I want to be able to live through mistakes, lagspikes, cb, reflect, etc. During the beyond league I had this relatively cheap duel wield max block reaver with insane amounts of hp and armor and refused to die from really anything, facetanking anything in the game. Until it died instantly from a frost nova box (pre nerf) on a very high lvl map... But that build is also nerfed into the ground. Anything else that is like 99.9999% safe? Maybe some build with insane regeneration? I tried a tanky incinerator/RF but he still died in a single hit without any damage mods... Última edição por silverdash#0964 em 11 de nov. de 2015 06:16:14
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You can't have everything.
A melee block build might be the best imo. Having 7 endurance charges and tons of HP, with a good astral plate you get tons of gear flexibility on other parts and with the new curse aura support gem you can get enf or warlord up all the time. Fortify can be used with leap slam/whirling blades so u get to use better support gem with the attack skill. I did not play too much chars ( and will never play HC because there are too many random screenfreeze when I open a chest) but my experience is, spell dmg is way too op in the game, for example some of the bloodline mods spawn an explosion in your face and you are dead even if you have tons of hp. No real mitigation vs theese ele dmg spikes, only spell block and pray to RNGjesus not to get hit. If you get a vaal molten shell then dominus is basically killing himself with one of his skills when he channels lightning ghost at your face. Iron reflexes with grace gets you an other 4-5k armor. And if you get your hands on an aegis then you are practically immortal. Última edição por krenderke#3861 em 11 de nov. de 2015 08:56:09
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Steel was the first to reach level 100 with Poison Arrow, in hands down the rippiest league ever.
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Keep in mind that killing things fast is a very good form of defense, and leech keeps your health topped off.
But if you really want to go the super tanky route on a budget, max block Incinerate is pretty popular. There's also PA, doesn't care about reflect, CB or lightning thorns, bad single target dps is the downside. Crit Mjollnir is extremely tanky with surgeon flasks, Kingsguard and IR, also extremely expensive. I imagine some sort of Aegis Aurora block melee would be similar on a high budget. |
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"I'm willing to sacrifice dps & clearspeed a lot to get more tanky. Even if I would do 0 damage, would it be theoretically possible to survive any attack in the game without swapping gear/gems in between and w/o godlike gear? I do not want to rely on "clearspeed/range/minions for safety". The only threats usually are blows that insta (or near-insta with another hit from another mob) kill you. So there are 3 things I would need protection from: - physical: stack hp + armor + IC + endurance charges - elemental: this one is problematic. Spellblock was nerfed and would still not protect from a single 'super-hit' anyway. Resists cap at 75 and are hard to increase much further. - Chaos: If you avoid the devourer map-boss and any regular devourers with multi projectiles and don't run the jungle valley boss with insane mods, you should be fine. - Dots (CB, chaos aura, etc): having either a lot of hp regen or just having a massive hp pool with some instant heal pots should solve this. So enormous elemental damage hits (probably crits) are the only real problem that are likely to insta you. There must be a build tanky enough for all these... somehow... I'm not sure if it's still possible but some hits used to do over 10k basedamage in high-end maps. Therefor evasion and such is/was unreliable and inferior compared to armor for HC builds. This is the most tankiest cheap builds I could find so far: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1376260/page/1 https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1425534 (doesn't look tanky enough though) But it can still insta-die from massive hits and it's melee so it will happen eventually I guess. Última edição por silverdash#0964 em 11 de nov. de 2015 09:42:51
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Well I don,t think anything tankier than this exists, and btw the only way to get maxresist is to get a unique shield or spend tons of currency getting maxres corruption on neck and chest.
Btw did you even read what I wrote? Also that leech build is not much different except it is less reliable vs oneshot dmg which you want to avoid. Última edição por krenderke#3861 em 11 de nov. de 2015 09:47:19
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I read what you wrote. But my conclusion is that I am not gonna play HC. The game has no mechanics to prevent insta-kills right now even if you put zero skills in offense.
Basically you run around on 95-100%hp non stop, facerolling all the time. And someday you will instantly die just like that. Out of maybe 100.000 mobs you kill, one with just the wrong mods is gonna crit and insta you or a connection problem and that 0.001% of the mobs will just kill you. If my hp would go down over the course of a lengthy battle okay but all of my deaths are just instant deaths. Which are just boring. And any non-insta deaths = insta heal potion. So imo the HC mechanics are boring. Última edição por silverdash#0964 em 11 de nov. de 2015 11:11:20
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Someone made a build that was CI with cast on crit immortal call and 100% resists with flasks that were always up. the build cost like 70 exalt and ripped to Uber though......
"ran out of high teir maps to leave on the ground - people kept taking the higher teirs" - Da Pagionator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T31clJn_oNQ Última edição por PrinceOfPuddles#5342 em 11 de nov. de 2015 14:49:29
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There are some things you won't see coming and they can RIP you. Corpse Explosion is a classic. Died to it twice. first time I was in a timed Zana and didn't see the totem and was standing on the boss. Second one was a blue pack of zombies (not dangerous at all) that had just been hit by a tormented spirit. 5.4k HP, 25k armor, 76% fire res - it mattered not.
You can reach 100 without RIPing but if you keep playing you will die eventually and if it is only to a bug. PoE needs better social features... and more cats! Última edição por Col_Jessep#1925 em 11 de nov. de 2015 17:06:18
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Just a clue for now, may post the full build at some point:
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