[3.11] Shaper = Stunned, Tidebreaker Heavy Strike Stunner Build

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Mothaba escreveu:

I'm interested in playing perma-stun this league but these 2 lines from the patch notes are making me nervous :


- "Rare monsters now have 33% more life at level 1, up to 100% more life at level 68 and above. They now grant 54% more experience."

- "Enemies with shields can block attacks, but will only prevent a large portion of the incoming damage, rather than all of it."


does it mean that high life + block monsters won't be easily stunned ?

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Shrie escreveu:

In your thoughts for Multistrike you mention that you think it is a nerf for perma stun. However as we know that multistrike no longer penalizes damage and the 3rd round of multistrikes will all be (basically) ruthless. How is Multistrike anything but a buff?

it gives 44% more attack speed for all hits and then 50%/99% more damage for the next two hits, while yes slightly less consistent the big takeaway is that over 3 hits the gem give both 44% more attack speed and an average of 50% more damage per hit which is more than any other support gem mathematically. take the the example of heavy strike linked to multi + ruthless vs ruthless + Melee phys damage.

if you deal 1000 damage 2 times per second with heavy strike

with ruthless and multi you will now deal 1000+1500+1999 followed by 1000+1500+1999 followed by 2320+3480+4616 damage over 8.64 seconds (2245.95 dps)

vs

with ruthless and mpd you now deal 1490+1490+3456 followed by 1490+1490+3456 damage over 7 seconds. (1838.86 dps)

I mean it seems obvious to me that even the best non-conditional support (mpd) is worse than the new multistrike which is almost a better version of what ruthless is and auto ramps because you will notice that even the non-ruthless portions of multistrike are better for stunning than the majority of the in between ruthless strikes. i.e. the last strike of each mutlistrike is 1999 whereas the middle strikes of the non-multistrike is 1490 (making each multi end strike 33% better than each mpd non-ruthless strike). Yes you go from 2 super big hits every 7-8 seconds to 1, but you raise the midstrikes.

Obviously yes multi is best for dps I also argue that its great for perma stun because in perma stun its all about fishing for the highest highs as consistently as possible.

On another unrelated note, what about crit based perma stun using the new keystone that replaces point-blank that gives lucky crit chance + lucky crit damage? Abyssus?

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brightwaha escreveu:

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de_Lioncourt escreveu:

Hi! I really like your build and I changed a little your skilltree. Please take a look and say what you think:

https://ibb.co/VvBWPKV

- In cluster #1 I choose to pick only the firste node - 5% incr stun duration per end charge.
- I think, if you take slayer then cluster #2 with leech is very helpful for you.
- In cluster #3 I choose to take path by picking 1 node with dmg and attack speed insted of two with aoe.
- I plan to use fortify gem in main skill since it was buffed and gives 34% more damage now. And cluster #4 seems really worthy to invest in. It was buffed and now gives 20% incr fortify effect and good amount of attack speed and damage.
- In cluster #5 I choose to take only right part because it gives more damage output and 20 stun duration. Left part gives some damage and area - not worthy in my opinion.
- Finally I doubt about picking the Stun Mastery cluster (#6). With the last patch we get more damage and 125% effectivness of damage stun-wise. May be two clusters with Spinecruncher and Kinetic Impacts will compensate?

I play HC btw.

Many good arguments here. Below are my thoughts:

-I wouldn't pay too much attention on stun duration, as it in most cases is not needed.
-Yes the leech cluster can be helpful to Slayer. But because we're playing a stun build, it won't help as much as other Slayer builds.
-The Fortify node still doesn't seem too good to me, but considering you're playing HC, I agree it can be a good choice.
-About Stun Mastery, I think it really depends on your gears. Stun Mastery is much better than Kinetic Impacts considering only stunning, but Kinetic Impacts also offers some DPS. I think for people with bad gears and high ambitions, they should pick both; for people with really good gears, they can ignore both of them.

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Boner_Patrol escreveu:

Never played a stun build before.

What are you planning to use as a clearing 4L? I'm planning EQ and are there any good pseudo 5Ls from gear for a clearing setup?

Hopefully Pulverize is good I'm looking forward to that + inc aoe.

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pigpill escreveu:

I am wanting to really try the crit path on the slayer, but I have never played a stun build before so it could just be my interests getting muddled.

What are your thoughts on going into some bleed nodes? Similar question about impale nodes.