[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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Pure escreveu:

So it seems that I need to decide between Golems or AG? It kinda sucks, but as Giammafix said, I can use Eclipsis shield for AG setup too. I need to consider a few options. I'm pretty sure I can kill Uber Atziri without AG anyway.

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Pure escreveu:

So it seems that I need to decide between Golems or AG? It kinda sucks, but as Giammafix said, I can use Eclipsis shield for AG setup too. I need to consider a few options. I'm pretty sure I can kill Uber Atziri without AG anyway.

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MingONE escreveu:

Problem is mostly with uber elder, he is realy very hard and those 200% damage is a very solid bonus.

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MingONE escreveu:

If you want to farm t14-15 maps mostly - golems are good, but as for me - I farm guardians and shaper more often and I found that 4TVs + AG are pretty good for this, SGs/Golems didn't make much difference in clear speed

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Giammafix escreveu:

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Pure escreveu:

So it seems that I need to decide between Golems or AG? It kinda sucks, but as Giammafix said, I can use Eclipsis shield for AG setup too. I need to consider a few options. I'm pretty sure I can kill Uber Atziri without AG anyway.

well, the first and last time that I've killed Uber Atziri with the spectres, I never used an Animate guardian, just 3 Tukohama's vanguards and 1 Wickerman, though 4 Vanguards will burst the boss faster (used Wickerman before to draw the aggro in the trio fight).
for uber atziri, Rise of the Phoenix shield, soul of solaris with first upgrade and a couple of ruby and topaz flasks will help, equipped the Scourge instead of Advancing fortress but that's a matter of preferences.
once geared the damage is fine against her, the fight itself is based on your dodge skills and a bit of rng (died a couple of times due to bad positioning and sudden flameblasts/storm calls).
don't forget that the author of the build has killed uber atziri and the shaper with an effective 5 links, before discovering that Controlled destruction (his 6th link at the time) didn't work for those spectres.
Atziri will reflect the curse applied on hit, so either you bring some curse removal flasks to pop up with right timing, or grab bleed removal topaz/ruby for her spear attack and swap flammability with enfeeble (which when reflected affects you, not your minions) and the reduced damage from the boss might actually save you from a storm call.

about the uber elder... I assume that you won't be running the uber elder all day (unless you're going to do carry services of course) so you can keep your standard setup for mapping/regular bossing and switch to a more optimized setup just for the uber elder fight without having to change it permanently.
once properly geared, you won't need to change gems, gears, etc. for shaper, guardians, red elder etc. because the uber elder is a peculiar fight which needs practice and luck, and of course a specific setup.

as someone posted earlier in this thread, this guy killed the uber elder deathless with burning spectres and AG after a lot of practice (in his previous video, he dies like 2-3 times)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgSr_Vpr5SI

this one other guy proved that 3 solar guards can kill the uber elder as well, though he had to use 5 portals on 6 before killing him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaOiS7gTF_U

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rhenk10 escreveu:

Does Controlled Destruction work for Solar Guards?

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Giammafix escreveu:

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MingONE escreveu:

Problem is mostly with uber elder, he is realy very hard and those 200% damage is a very solid bonus.

right and I would say almost mandatory to smooth things up

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MingONE escreveu:

If you want to farm t14-15 maps mostly - golems are good, but as for me - I farm guardians and shaper more often and I found that 4TVs + AG are pretty good for this, SGs/Golems didn't make much difference in clear speed

4 TV + AG is hands down the best setup for guardians and shaper, but I think that the difference in general clearspeed when comparing to solar guards it's pretty noticeable; though when farming the very endgame bosses you'll get back the time lost with a lower clearspeed (with TV) by killing the boss way faster than the solar guards.

the solar guards are a good option if you farm maps a lot almost every day, want to level faster and do poorjoy's rotations, and have a good damage against the endgame bosses if you want to occasionally kill them and don't mind farming them or doing carry services; otherwiste, 4 Vanguards + Animate guardian are overpowered :D

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Giammafix escreveu:

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rhenk10 escreveu:

Does Controlled Destruction work for Solar Guards?

yes, it does.