Hardcore vs Default

Here we go again...

POe has no hardcore league, not with this alt f4 bullshit...

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piscator123 escreveu:

Here we go again...

POe has no hardcore league, not with this alt f4 bullshit...

The babbycore players should come up with something new, it's getting boring :p Also obligatory pictures.

Although I played HC in the last months of closed beta, I started open beta in default. With the new content and playing other type of characters I did not want to start in HC.

I am not a real casual player, but also not a player that can play 6-12 hours a day. If I can play 10-15 hours a week I am a happy guy. In those hours I want to have fun, try some builds and stuff. That is difficult playing hardcore. When you die, you loose the time invested.

I have six characters, of every type one, and I level them simultaneously. My Marauder and Duelist haven't died yet. The Ranger and Templar once and the Witch and Shadow four times. The last characters are new to me, which explains the deaths.

Everyone has its own reason to play soft- or hardcore. There is no good and bad here. Just have fun!!

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flab escreveu:

The only time I played SC was the first time I played the game, I found that with my first character (a ranger), not spending skill points and only dying once by level 25 or so due to pure recklessness, it was just too easy. Tried HC and well, impossible to enjoy SC after that.

I find it very difficult to understand the sentiment here. Why is default "impossible" to enjoy?

I played both leagues during CB, and gained the same enjoyment form playing on both leagues. After all, it's the exact same game. There is nothing you can do in HC that you can't do in default, except brag about the fact that you're still alive. And if that's the only way you can enjoy yourself, then I feel very sorry for you.

I've been playing in default since OB because I find that dying to desync takes away almost as much enjoyment as I get from playing the game.

I made 1 softcore Witch and then moved exclusively to HC. I love the thrill.

I'm honest enough to say I haven't even beaten normal on HC yet - have died to Vaal Oversoul twice and 1 separate desynch.

But I don't care. I'm improving everytime I play and hinking more about what could work with a build where my actions have consequences.

I'm playing a pure-physical dmg Marauder right now - the thrill of leaping inot a pack of enemies to sweep them, unsure whether you will live or die is something you won't feel in softcore.

i have 1 build in default a RF mara its hard to lo lvl up with only lifenodes so i decided i play default for some time its so fucking boring unbelievable

i bought 3 uniques to get over with it as quick as possible


i lost 3 times my whole party in the vaalfight i lose at least 1 in a docks run even in f ellshrine ppl die constantly

ppl cry about the dogs in docks and have negative fire resi default is just pure entertainment
another example is charging in a mobgroup of frenzy on hit archer and a physical aura elite and you watch the screen has slain has slain

id say a hc player knows in general much more about mechanics than a default player

btw i always smile when i see a lmp dog elite in docks and like to watch my random partymember die

derp dogs are fucking op ggg should nerf them yo haha

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VoxelSquid escreveu:

I play HC exclusively, on a laptop with integrated graphics that has a tendency to overheat and shut itself down if I stress it too much. Fortunately, it seems that the 6 second exit delay is short enough for the server to always safely teleport my character to town. I don't think I've ever lost a character to overheating-induced shutdown.

If your laptop is over-heating I think you have bigger problems than your PoE character dying honestly.

On topic: I play default, honestly I really couldn't be bothered with hardcore. Weeks spent just to be lost to either a 1 in a million combination of auras, Lag, Desync, Crash. There's to many factors in online games for it to be something I could be bothered with.

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AintCare escreveu:

I like how someone can form an opinion on lack of experience and knowledge... how do you know what we are talking about if you never tried HC? and you dont loose anything it just moves to SC

Because visualizing how having 1 life and dying feels is not an incredibly deep abstraction that you need to experience to understand (hint: I've played other videogames!)

Also, if your character gets taken out of the league, it's dead, for all intents and purposes.

Posted this in another discussion thread a few weeks ago. Hope it helps other people understand a little more why some of us play exclusively in HC.

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I find it annoying that people constantly say that HC is MAN MODE and SC is scrubcore, only casuals play it, hardcore gamers play HC only, etc etc. That being said, these are typically the three main reasons most of us play HC.

The most common reason is that no matter what, nothing will come close to the adrenaline rush you get when you drop down to 5-10% of your life, especially if it's in an instant. That HOLY SHIT moment of knowing you might lose 5, 10, 20, 50+ hours of gameplay in an blink of an eye, that's why many of us play hardcore. Yes, were there only a default league available, we'd still more or less play in the same style, going with high defenses and minimizing deaths. Tthe fact remains, no matter how carefully we might want to play in SC, the fact that the concept of only ONE death exists in HC, makes it just fundamentally different as to how we approach it. In SC, how many players inch their way through a zone, making sure to curse all enemies right away to weaken them, properly position yourself to have an exit at all times, be ready at any given moment to TP to refresh pots or even, dare I say it, save/exit, etc? How many times do you kill a champ pack or a bunch of monsters then wait for your cds to come back up, your traps to come back up to 3, etc? That's how a lot of us play in HC, especially as you get closer to merciless and monsters are a LOT less forgiving.

The second reason would be the economy. Currency is less inflated as items are taken out of the game all the time. Sure, most of it is kept in the stash, but the time and money sunk into the items we buy/craft for our gear, that's always changing. As stated earlier by another poster, that "OMG ____ JUST DROPPED!" seems a lot more meaningful in HC than in SC the rarer the item is.

Third, the community, very generally speaking, tends to be a little more mature and helpful. We all know we're here for one life, and one life only. Thus, especially for the newer players, many players tend to be more forgiving and more helpful in #chat. We all started out as newbies, and while many of us are not new to HC in general, a lot of people will be. We're more prone to stacking defensive auras, so parties are safer with all the buffs, and so on, and asking questions about tough bosses will often be answered quite promptly- "I have X hp and Y resists, do you think I can handle Vaal/Piety" are generally answered quite quickly and politely.

PS- One other thing I forgot to mention- for those of us who play solo or try tackling a boss solo for a better/guaranteed chance at drops, there's that awesome feeling the first time you kill a particular boss.

I'm pretty sure every single person remembers their first Vaal/Piety kill on every difficulty. Even if you partied to do it and it was a lot safer, still! And again, that OHSHIT adrenaline rush of a feeling when you get lightning bolted by the Oversoul, Piety's lightning ball runs over you and you're frantically clicking the other direction, or when she goes RED ANGRY MODE and starts beating on your ass, there's nothing in default that comes close to it.