[3.10] Gryph's Volatile Dead Necromancer || Fun, Medium Budget, Tanky, Millions of DPS

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theSpokeyDokey escreveu:

So just to be clear, the Necromancer build will still work right?

There are a lot of options for life and ES regen outside of spirit offering.

For life regen, Stone Golem and passive tree should be enough.

For ES regen, Discipline, Light Eater and Essence Rush cluster should be more than enough to sustain?

There is also the Kitava's Disciple noteable from the unique cluster that consumes a corpse every 1 second for a 5% life and mana restore. Drawback is that you take 10% increased damage if you don't consume a corpse "recently" but I hardly think that would be a problem with this build.

I have all the gear to start running with this but I am not certain if I still need to run Bone Offering or not.

That covers the gist of it, yeah. Glorious Vanity is also highly recommended, but given that it's early league still that might not be reasonable (5ex lol)

Kitava jewel looks really good. Helps with mana too.

You will probably want this for life recovery (switch to Shaper/Crusader with life on hit for spells later)


I'm personally waiting to get a Martyr Staff and complete Uber Lab before I make the switch from Spellslinger to Scold's

anyone compared elementalist vs Necromancer yet?

also anyone have an updated POB link? both in the leveling section are broken and the on in the one in the passive tree section is a link to a 3.9 tree

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xenochaos1 escreveu:

anyone compared elementalist vs Necromancer yet?

also anyone have an updated POB link? both in the leveling section are broken and the on in the one in the passive tree section is a link to a 3.9 tree

3.9 tree vs 3.10 is almost identical.

PoB links work, are you using the drop down menu to go between the trees?

In the end Necromancer is still much stronger/well rounded because of Bone Offering providing a MASSIVE defensive bonus.

Elementalist has a little bit of QoL with golem regen and free life leech. I think I will ultimately remove that segment from the guide as I found just leveling and early mapping with spellslinger to be superior than trying to make Scold's work right away. You would then make the transition to Scold's+Cyclone when you have the pieces you need. Probably around low 80's is enough skill points.

You can check my profile for spellslinger links+tree

the thing is, I will probably use Glancing blows with a lethal pride jewel, so I do not really really need to bone offering. (i will get max block with it easily wihtout bone offering)

beside bone offering, is elementalist or necranmancer stronger?

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xenochaos1 escreveu:

the thing is, I will probably use Glancing blows with a lethal pride jewel, so I do not really really need to bone offering. (i will get max block with it easily wihtout bone offering)

beside bone offering, is elementalist or necranmancer stronger?

Are you going to be able to cap your spell block too? Bone Offering also gives a MASSIVE amount of life gained on block. 35% to both Attack and Spell Block is absurd (with a level 21 Offering and increased offering effect chest) 644 life gained on block for level 21. Also max block with no damage taken is naturally preferable to max block and take 50% :P

Also, if you're using lethal pride, you won't be able to use Glorious Vanity for Corrupted Soul. Can use Soul Tether belt then though as Ele gets leech in ascendancy.

https://pastebin.com/EP1SeNT8

Level 98 necro -> 113k Avg Hit with Martyr+Spell Cascade

Same witch, same gear/tree/etc... as an Elementalist with Mastermind of Discord...

Also 113k. These don't take into account the damage boost Elementalist gets per summoned golem or the 15% increased damage taken that Necro get from Corpse Pact so make of that what you will.

I'm using the spellslinger setup, but it always casts VD before Desecrate, so the first cast is always a dud, which makes things a little clunky.

Is there any way to change the cast order with Spellslinger?

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Garulf161 escreveu:

I'm using the spellslinger setup, but it always casts VD before Desecrate, so the first cast is always a dud, which makes things a little clunky.

Is there any way to change the cast order with Spellslinger?

It's only ever the first cast, if you run -> click -> run but keep a short enough distance between casts you'll basically just wade through the map with a stream a balls following after you. also monsters leave corpses to consume.

Okay, I almost made it work. You can check my profile, nothing unusual except couple things.
Praxis to make my mana almost infinite, MoM just to mitigate some one-shot damage (maybe unnecessary, not sure yet), Ghost Reaver passive to make ES Leech fast as possible, ES pool for at least ~2.5-3k. And finally, I've bought Wathcer's eye (12ex btw) that made my ES always full. After all, I'm lack of passive points and not sure how to deal with it better.
So I have life per hit and instant HP flask to heal myself and everything else heals my ES shield that I'm gonna increase up to 4k. Not highest damage you could see, but I was trying to make it live, DPS is enough tho.

Also tried Glorious Vanity before Wathcer's eye and it feels "meeeh".

If you have any suggestions, I'd like to try.

P.S. It's not finished yet and will be improved (I hope)

Current PoB: https://pastebin.com/zEhCFXtN

@Gryphenprey

First of all thanks for making and updating this build it's been a huge fun since meta league which provides me the wealthiest times of all. I also wanted to continue playing this even though the Spirit Offering nerf and of course whenever I switched Scold's at level 65 I realized it's impossible to sustain even if I take Ghost Reaver and light eater cluster(with life leech on fire dmg amu).
I immediately looked at you profile that's when I switched to slinger setup. But now as I see you were back in using Scold's, mu question is can you sustain it without any problem since Delirium mobs are hitting like a truck, even now I'm having difficulties doing the content.

Thanks in advance.

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BlackRockSoul escreveu:

Okay, I almost made it work. You can check my profile, nothing unusual except couple things.
Praxis to make my mana almost infinite, MoM just to mitigate some one-shot damage (maybe unnecessary, not sure yet), Ghost Reaver passive to make ES Leech fast as possible, ES pool for at least ~2.5-3k. And finally, I've bought Wathcer's eye (12ex btw) that made my ES always full. After all, I'm lack of passive points and not sure how to deal with it better.
So I have life per hit and instant HP flask to heal myself and everything else heals my ES shield that I'm gonna increase up to 4k. Not highest damage you could see, but I was trying to make it live, DPS is enough tho.

Also tried Glorious Vanity before Wathcer's eye and it feels "meeeh".

If you have any suggestions, I'd like to try.

P.S. It's not finished yet and will be improved (I hope)

Current PoB: https://pastebin.com/zEhCFXtN

Yeah the ES on hit Watcher's Eye just makes everything a lot simpler. I wanted to make sure that it's possible to run WITHOUT it for budget reasons. Being gated behind a 10ex+ purchase to run a build is a bit of a no go for me.

I really like Corrupted Soul just because of the split between life and ES. We have some excellent life recovery mechanics and it allows us to make full use of them. Additionally it makes investment into ES nodes on the tree sub-optimal because of how it works mechanically and due to the massive ES boost it provides. This is a positive as it let's us invest more into life/damage/new cluster jewels. But do what works for you I say. ES on hit is probably good enough on its own.

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haindeve escreveu:

@Gryphenprey

First of all thanks for making and updating this build it's been a huge fun since meta league which provides me the wealthiest times of all. I also wanted to continue playing this even though the Spirit Offering nerf and of course whenever I switched Scold's at level 65 I realized it's impossible to sustain even if I take Ghost Reaver and light eater cluster(with life leech on fire dmg amu).
I immediately looked at you profile that's when I switched to slinger setup. But now as I see you were back in using Scold's, mu question is can you sustain it without any problem since Delirium mobs are hitting like a truck, even now I'm having difficulties doing the content.

Thanks in advance.

I only just swapped to Scold's as an experiment (wanted to see if I could) and it's working fine (barely). I basically just need to pay close attention to my life because I do not have much time before scold's starts deleting me between packs.

As for Delirium it feels great to be in constant motion. Until I stop and get one-shot. Rofl. Overall though it's a nice boost from spellslinging I just have to be more attentive until I get more ES. Getting the Martyr Staff definitely helps as well to make it worthwhile for a nice DPS boost.

Worth noting, Blade Blast on CWDT applies Unnerve for 4 seconds. I'll be trying to fit this in somewhere for sure.