3.14 KING OF ALL SUMMONERS. Zombies & Skeletons & Spectres on STEROIDS! | League-Start to End-Game

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Elorathiel escreveu:

In addition, I'd like to see more mention of convoking wands. It is not significantly hard to craft +1 all spell skill and +1 all minion skill wands. Dual wielding these wands is ultra viable and may very well be the absolute best in slot weapons for the build. I get that a 2H is typically more cost effective alternative, especially when it comes to entry level weapons, and the build seeks to be a very strong or perhaps even the ultimate, cost effective build. You mentioned you like to run through packs and cyclone as little as possible and so do I. Dual wands allowed me to delete cyclone altogether because of spell trigger. It truly simplifies the build for those who just want to blitz through maps as fast as possible, as cyclone is basically a self-snare that doesn't feel rewarding at all to channel because the damage is negligible.

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crazypearce escreveu:

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Elorathiel escreveu:

In addition, I'd like to see more mention of convoking wands. It is not significantly hard to craft +1 all spell skill and +1 all minion skill wands. Dual wielding these wands is ultra viable and may very well be the absolute best in slot weapons for the build. I get that a 2H is typically more cost effective alternative, especially when it comes to entry level weapons, and the build seeks to be a very strong or perhaps even the ultimate, cost effective build. You mentioned you like to run through packs and cyclone as little as possible and so do I. Dual wands allowed me to delete cyclone altogether because of spell trigger. It truly simplifies the build for those who just want to blitz through maps as fast as possible, as cyclone is basically a self-snare that doesn't feel rewarding at all to channel because the damage is negligible.

i don't doubt that dual wands is a good end game option but i think it's just best to leave stuff like that for the more advanced people to work out themselves. same with the CI version that i fully endorsed a while back. people already have a tough time following a 'simple' guide in which their only real choice is to pick 3 out of 4 auras. adding more complicated setups will just confuse things even more.

definitely looks interesting though and i will probably try it out if i decide to roll a necro again next patch. last templar build used a trigger wand and it was a huge QoL.

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ninja95 escreveu:

The budget version of the build has Astramentis and The Baron, plus both strength Jewels.


How is this a budget build for league start?


How do you clear maps with 5 zombies since you can'get enough strength without the items mentioned above, how do you make this work as a league starter, because I'm pretty sure, I won't have enough currency for any of those items till 80s.


I'm not attacking anyone, just to make this clear, I'm certainly curious of how to make this work without those unique items early on, because I would like to play summoner once again after a long time.

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brunowa escreveu:

i don't doubt that dual wands is a good end game option but i think it's just best to leave stuff like that for the more advanced people to work out themselves. same with the CI version that i fully endorsed a while back. people already have a tough time following a 'simple' guide in which their only real choice is to pick 3 out of 4 auras. adding more complicated setups will just confuse things even more.

definitely looks interesting though and i will probably try it out if i decide to roll a necro again next patch. last templar build used a trigger wand and it was a huge QoL.

If someone's got a POB for the dual-wand I'll add it to th guide... And crazypearce you kept a POB of your CI build I believe?

Happy to add them to the guide in Alternate Setups.

I did test dual-wand previously but didn't quite like it... For me personally I run with 8 auras (and love it) so I really need my second 6 link, and I do enjoy the QOL that cyclone brings in certain situations.

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crazypearce escreveu:

some nice budget gear there. :D

insane stuff man, wish i could face grinding the game that much. usually just spend early currency on some lucky crafts and use that to go all in. never as much as that though

https://pastebin.com/1GGp5DVT

that's my CI PoB. pretty similar tree to dual wands to be fair. main difference is obviously the weapons and gem setup

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im seeing alot talking about marveil retainer, but noone here has really done any research about it. I asked this around 100 pages back, but no answer yet. How often does marveil cast curse?
poedb shows, that marveil has many skills. does she cycle them? is this vulnerability usable only on bosses? if she cast vulnerability every 3 seconds or so, then i think its pretty crapy and not worth it at all. bosses die in 3 seconds. And i imagine, its even worse on maps.
if you use curse on hit gloves, you curse bosses more or less inmidiatly and its not totaly useless in maps also. Can some of you guys test, how often does she curse and make research around that?