Ruler of Wraeclast Pack

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CharanJaydemyr escreveu:

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CharanJaydemyr escreveu:

I wear metal tshirts and old jeans.

When you live in Australia, you do what you gotta do.

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y135lc escreveu:

Mr. Charan, hats off to you for doing something so gutsy. Even if i had your money, i would buy their shares instead.

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CharanJaydemyr escreveu:

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jebroni escreveu:

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CliveHowlitzer escreveu:

^Jealous

This one is for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_management

And as the guy above me stated, even if I were to spend $12.5k, it would be on the company's shares. In the long run it is better support, but don't worry, I am supposed to be jealous over not making a suboptimal choice on a game I don't even play anymore.

If you seriously think 12.5k worth of shares in any company is worth all that much, I think it's you who needs to look into money management.

I'm fairly sure I made clear that the majority of my money is safe and sound in bank investments.

I don't think you're jealous, I just think you need to go away.

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jebroni escreveu:

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CliveHowlitzer escreveu:

^Jealous

This one is for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_management

And as the guy above me stated, even if I were to spend $12.5k, it would be on the company's shares. In the long run it is better support, but don't worry, I am supposed to be jealous over not making a suboptimal choice on a game I don't even play anymore.

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ualac escreveu:

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y135lc escreveu:

Mr. Charan, hats off to you for doing something so gutsy. Even if i had your money, i would buy their shares instead.

there's a difference between a contribution, and an investment, and really supporter packs are for making a contribution

Admittedly it is one that is also an investment in the ongoing quality of the game. it appears (some) selfish people here seem more focused on what they get for their money versus what GGG could do with their contribution.

(also they don't have 'shares' as they are not a listed company AFAIK)

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CharanJaydemyr escreveu:

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inDef escreveu:

In my experience, the people who dump that kind of money into games like that are not only far from rich, but actually quite poor and fiscally irresponsible.

I had a clan mate in WoW about 7 years ago who spent about $10,000 or so over the course of his play time on buying characters/gold/accounts and then paying their subscriptions. I think at one point he was paying 8 sub fees at $15 a month.

This guy was a manager at Walmart who made $12 an hour. He just had the limits bumped up on his credit cards and racked up insane amounts of debt.

I'm not saying anyone who buys these insanely high cost supporter packs is like this...but you'd be surprised at how many people dump that kind of money into games when they can't even afford rent.


The person being used as an example in this thread already said his CC doesn't have a limit that could support his purchase. I make between 70k - 120k a year (don't want to be too specific) and both my CC's have limits above 20,000 and I've never raised them. With my salary I couldn't even come remotely close to being able to afford the 12.5k supporter pack. So either this guy has no fiscal obligations (like a mortgage, kids, wife, bills, etc) or he falls into the category of person I described above.

There's a story going around of how a guy's wife divorced him because he donated too much money to the Camelot Unchained kickstarter campaign and they couldn't afford their rent any longer.

Just my experience with this kind of thing. My experience/opinion is in no way concrete and I'm not stating it as so.

I totally get you, dude. Totally.

Because these things can be an addition, as readily as any drug. I said during Closed Beta that making uniques is addictive and it really is. I couldn't wait to get started on another one after I finished my first. Another thousand dollars. Good lord. And then another.

I can absolutely see how that'd be worrisome. How a person could easily fall into debt fueling that addiction.

But you're comparing pay to win with pay to support. Pay to win is insidious and yes, I've played MMOs where I've realised I've spent hundreds of dollars before waking up and going, wait a sec, I'm STILL not winning here!...I do avoid typical MMOs for this reason, well that and I have a strange tendency to get girls flirting with me who are ACTUALLY GIRLS IN REAL LIFE and when one has a lifetime partner that's never good but anyway. Point being, pay-to-win is entirely a different addition to what I've done here. While I can't claim altruism (I get a major kick out of helping others), I can say that I'm not being 100% selfish in this. Paying 10k to empower your character in WoW is 100% selfish. That is loathsome and pitiable, even IF 10k is nothing to a person.

But let's get back to the credit thing.

When I met Chris, middle of last year on quite a random occasion that I do treasure to this day, I felt it strangely necessary to show him that I wasn't such a person. That I don't live extravagantly otherwise. I wear metal tshirts and old jeans. I love frozen lasagne (we didn't have frozen lasagne). I don't own a private jet. I've never even flown business class, let alone first.

I'm just a guy whose fortune turned moderately lucky these past few years. I say 'moderately' because I'm not filthy rich. I didn't win the lottery. Things happened and I came into a portion of the family's total wealth. Over 90% of that has been invested securely. I know some of you are probably doing a little math in your heads, and deciding that my idea of 'moderately' is extremely moderate. Perhaps.

Now let us assume this hadn't happened. That I was still working my 9-5 job 5 days a week, paying the bills and enjoying my weekends a lot more than I do now. Would I still have supported GGG at this level? FUCK NO. That's stupid. I don't do this because I 'have' to, or even desperately 'want' to. I do it because I can. Because I'd like to believe if others could, they would too.

I will admit my stating that my credit card limit is relatively low was an ironic misdirect, but I'm disappointed that you actually took the bait. No one who does what I've done would then admit to having a low credit card limit *if* they were using credit to fund it. There'd be guilt associated with such an action, or at least should be. The whole point of living off credit is to continually fool yourself into thinking you're better off than you are.

This is why I don't live off credit. I was raised not to, in fact, which is part of why I'm still doing okay. Here in Australia, we are aware of a generational issue in other countries where people DO live on credit, as peachii said, they have it rammed down their throats. Credit rating, in my experience, is much more important in the US than elsewhere. When I lived there, credit rating was everywhere. You lived and you died by it. It was all a bit scary.

I pay off my credit card every month, if not more frequently, because the charges are *insane*. To do that, I don't spend much on it.

Makes sense, no?

So please be assured I did not go into debt at any time when supporting Grinding Gear Games. I still own my home, my car and everything in both.

Something tells me GGG would be horrified to learn that someone went into crippling debt to support their game. I wouldn't do that to them.

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peachii escreveu:

This is not a bashing thread. Please refrain from calling anyone stupid for supporting GGG. You are on their forums. Think it all you want but please don't bring the negative vibes to something that is Indeed a very awesome thing to be able to do.

As stated above - Charan can do whatever Charan so desire's with Charan's money. So long as HE gets enjoyment out of it and thinks the game/GGG is worth it then who are we to say it's not right?

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Drumheller escreveu:

A bunch of us could each give about $10 but ask it to be credited to Jabroni's account. We could probably get him a supporter title. :)