Please explain the "Make an offer" mentality...

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C0Y0T3_SLY escreveu:

If I've got the time, anyone who says 'Offer?" get low-balled. Every. Single. Time. If they're going to waste my time and try to rip me off, I'll be happy to do the same.

If I'm not willing to waste time? No price, no offer, end of story.

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Bumblebutt escreveu:

It is not necessarily bad that a seller want an offer, nor is it vice versa. Telling the other side "you're wrong and greedy" is a joke because he's doing the exact same thing as you. If you are a buyer, asking for price of an item and the seller naively tells you a surprisingly low b/o, would you be a dear and let him know he can get much more than that or you invite him immediately before that rabbit runs away?
In this primitive bartering system, you're on your own without assistance from market tools such as item and price listing. Then index/poe.xyz/poexplorer came along trying to provide that but all they can fulfill is item listings. So in the end, you're still on your own. That means both buyer and seller are supposed to be on the same footing in a trade. Who should make an offer first, however, depend on difference in standing between the 2 parties.

1/ How bad do you want this item/How bad does the seller want to get rid of it? The more you want an item, the more crucial it is for you to be willing to put yourself on the line first and make a good offer, not a low ball to kick start the game, but a decent offer to capture seller's attention. The more a seller want to get rid of the item, the more likely it is for him to set a buyout to attract potential buyers.
- Symptoms of a buyer in need: He would come up very polite, mention the item name in full
- Signs of a seller in need: the item has been on his shelf for long enough. Can be traced through poexplorer back when the item was first indexed.

2/ How good are you at pricing this particular piece? It holds true for both seller and buyer. Lacking the knowledge of price is usually a shitty situation for you to be in. Coming to a business meeting unprepared shows a lack of respect. For some reason, you decided that you can't come up with a good evaluation yourself. You could be new or lazy. The point is when you try to sell or buy an item without knowing its value like a lot of people in this thread have claimed, expect to be disappointed. Prepare to withdraw from the negotiation in the most polite manner possible. Don't be like "lol, GL selling that" or "GTFO lowballing scrub". Say "it's a bit out of my budget, ty for your time though" or "its a bit low, can you go a bit higher?" If you've claimed to be one lacking of information, don't act like you lack manner too.

3/ How wealthy is the seller? The more wealthy the seller is, the less important a sale is for him, the more likely he'd ask for an offer. If a fellow isn't at all well-established but still wanna act like he's one top of the line typhoon, it's appropriate to let him have the silent treatment
How to spot a wealthy trader: See how long his shop has been around. See what kind of items he has in stock. Most of the time these 2 signs are more than enough to tell you if a guy is rich enough. If a guy is selling a single or couple items, try to research his post history to see if he has posted his gear somewhere. Friend him, try to see what maps he runs on a regular basis.

4/ How unique is this item? The less unique an item is, the more power the buyer has and the more appropriate it is for the seller to prepare a buyout and vice versa. If you're looking for, for example, a ring with 6 mandatory mods, you should know how many people have the thing you need. If there's only 2 or 3 people have it or, in worse case, only 1 dude has it, prepare to meet a cocky seller(s) because you're in no position to haggle. This is completely appropriate, all you can do is to be prepared to withdraw in a polite manner if you can't afford to finish the trade.
How to research if the item is unique: use poe.xyz or poexplorer.

And of course, 5/ What does the seller say about offers in his shop thread? If the dude has specifically said that he only takes offer and you're not ok with that, don't PM him, don't shoot him a message in game asking for price, and don't get upset. Just move on to find a more appropriate party to conduct the negotiation. If you decided to ask him anyway and got the silent treatment, you brought it upon yourself. You might not deserve it, but that's not his fault and there's nothing you can do. If you're a seller and was asked to name your price, do it or expect to be low-balled; don't flip it, you asked for it. Calling people names after you've asked them to make an offer is the shittiest human behavior you can do as a seller.

Check to see which side of the balance you're on to expect whether should the seller name his b/o or you make an offer.

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Deonbekende escreveu:

Economic system is not easy for beginner like me .... i paid all my chaos ( 10 ) for a lvl 27 brass maul unique that was 10 time better then any lvl 27 weapon, it give me +500% damage so i paid 10 chaos like a noob. In my head it was so ifantastic so when the seller ask me how much i wanna paid i just put all my power to get it.

It's was before i know the realy price which was only 1 chaos. Before i know that im realy
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