GGGs reasoning on not making a SFL?

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DirkAustin escreveu:

... WHy change this game with GGGs vision of trading when you can make your own game?

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GGGs vision was to offer custom leagues for cash shop coins.
i mean i get it, game is dying. playerbase is already so low that they just cant keep this promise. GGG is the only one who is changing their vision.

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DirkAustin escreveu:

... WHy change this game with GGGs vision of trading when you can make your own game?

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The current iteration is far from the advertised *vision* of trading that GGG originally gave us.

I'll go so far as to say that the current iteration of trade in game is/was players *vision* of trading.

=)

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Jake_GGG escreveu:

Please refrain from antagonizing or insulting other players. Further posts of this kind may result in the player being placed on probation.

Call the Chris to give a fking answer on this forum.

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Xavderion escreveu:

I'd say the number one characteristic of a casual player is that he doesn't want to invest either time or actually himself (if that makes sense) in order to have some fun with a game.

To answer your questions, chess can be a casual game, it's very easy to learn. And playing Temple Run 6+ hours a day makes someone a hardcore Temple Run player, yes. If he does this with most games he plays, then he's a hardcore gamer, yes.

Agreed.

How can you comment on these assumptions that casuals want SFL?
Why is someone, who wants to gear up (competitively) with killing monsters a casual, and the one who gears up through trade a hardcore player?

That's the biggest argument from anti-SFL crowd, and I personally think that it's crap.


@aldorus

Thanks for the nice post.

I'm curious what would the results be with a SFL poll, a real ingame poll.
To check how many players would be interested, and then make a business decision, either to make it as a 20$ fee or just make it free and go on with donations, or don't do nothing.

I really believe it wouldn't fail based on money part.

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PoorJoy escreveu:

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DirkAustin escreveu:

... WHy change this game with GGGs vision of trading when you can make your own game?

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GGGs vision was to offer custom leagues for cash shop coins.
i mean i get it, game is dying. playerbase is already so low that they just cant keep this promise. GGG is the only one who is changing their vision.

Cool story bro.

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tinko92 escreveu:

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Xavderion escreveu:

I'd say the number one characteristic of a casual player is that he doesn't want to invest either time or actually himself (if that makes sense) in order to have some fun with a game.

To answer your questions, chess can be a casual game, it's very easy to learn. And playing Temple Run 6+ hours a day makes someone a hardcore Temple Run player, yes. If he does this with most games he plays, then he's a hardcore gamer, yes.

Agreed.

How can you comment on these assumptions that casuals want SFL?
Why is someone, who wants to gear up (competitively) with killing monsters a casual, and the one who gears up through trade a hardcore player?

That's the biggest argument from anti-SFL crowd, and I personally think that it's crap.

Hm, wanting a SFL doesn't make anyone casual, that's nonsense. What might happen though is that the game might become easier in a SFL. Really depends on how GGG would balance it.

Sorry, but that is a fallacy. PoE is definitely easier right now than it will ever be in a SFL. Simply because of poe.xyz, RMT, botting, and trading in general. In the current situation, you can buy everything you desire instantly. Even if a shavronne's dropped every piety kill, you'd still have to kill it and it's less than instant so harder.

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Xavderion escreveu:

Hm, wanting a SFL doesn't make anyone casual, that's nonsense. What might happen though is that the game might become easier in a SFL. Really depends on how GGG would balance it.

They'd have to try very very hard to make self found,especially solo self found any easier than trade enabled. lol

I'd play a self found league.

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glh5 escreveu:

Sorry, but that is a fallacy. PoE is definitely easier right now than it will ever be in a SFL. Simply because of poe.xyz, RMT, botting, and trading in general. In the current situation, you can buy everything you desire instantly. Even if a shavronne's dropped every piety kill, you'd still have to kill it and it's less than instant so harder.

Yes, if you cheat. In a SFL, you can also buy an account with a Shavronne's for real money. Your point is invalid.