[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

Which nodes do you take first for Deadeye while leveling?

Wat Enchant is Beter for TS and for Blast Rain ? 25 % inc damage or +1 secondary projectile ?

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Casia escreveu:

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Daze escreveu:

For the Raider tree, why choose "chance for Phasing on kill" over "chance for Frenzy on kill". Frenzy duration and the extra attack speed from getting the frenzy talent seem like nice boons too. Without Avatar of Phasing, I'm not seeing the benefit in getting it.

Can anyone please weigh in.

Frenzy and frenzy duration is really easy to come by for any ranger. Frenzy or blood rage, will make chance for frenzy on kill meaningless.

and your build will have +3 charges, and +54% duration in passive tree. giving a bit over 15s duration. an additional 18% duration is near meaningless.

The 10% attack speed is ok. but also just adding into the large amounts you already have. making it less valuable point for point.
While the 6% dodge is pretty rare. adding into the 40% dodge you likely have with phase acro.
Phasing itself, I dont really know the value of. looks cool? not sure any real value of it, without avatar of the veil. especially as a bow ranger. melee ranger. ok. removing body blocking has some value.

Imho it really depends, - Frenzy isn't an option for regular chargegaining anyway. Nice for gaining them at bosses, but not while mapping.

If you use vaal pact, which you really should unless you can afford atziri's acuitys then blood rage can be annoying. - Gaining charges with subclass will be a lot more comfortable.

That's one scenario, the other one is:

If you got a well balanced and decent gear blood rage becomes quite useless. You do not need the leech, you do not need even more attack speed and the drawback will still be quite annoying. - Gaining charges with way of the poacher will be more comfortable and you'll gain a free skillslot which might be useful.

Quartz Infusion might be the better choise for most people, but way of the poacher isn't as bad as some people say, because - like shown - there are scenario's where it's just a really comfortable thing to have.

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basta1982 escreveu:

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Casia escreveu:

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Daze escreveu:

For the Raider tree, why choose "chance for Phasing on kill" over "chance for Frenzy on kill". Frenzy duration and the extra attack speed from getting the frenzy talent seem like nice boons too. Without Avatar of Phasing, I'm not seeing the benefit in getting it.

Can anyone please weigh in.

Frenzy and frenzy duration is really easy to come by for any ranger. Frenzy or blood rage, will make chance for frenzy on kill meaningless.

and your build will have +3 charges, and +54% duration in passive tree. giving a bit over 15s duration. an additional 18% duration is near meaningless.

The 10% attack speed is ok. but also just adding into the large amounts you already have. making it less valuable point for point.
While the 6% dodge is pretty rare. adding into the 40% dodge you likely have with phase acro.
Phasing itself, I dont really know the value of. looks cool? not sure any real value of it, without avatar of the veil. especially as a bow ranger. melee ranger. ok. removing body blocking has some value.

Imho it really depends, - Frenzy isn't an option for regular chargegaining anyway. Nice for gaining them at bosses, but not while mapping.

If you use vaal pact, which you really should unless you can afford atziri's acuitys then blood rage can be annoying. - Gaining charges with subclass will be a lot more comfortable.

That's one scenario, the other one is:

If you got a well balanced and decent gear blood rage becomes quite useless. You do not need the leech, you do not need even more attack speed and the drawback will still be quite annoying. - Gaining charges with way of the poacher will be more comfortable and you'll gain a free skillslot which might be useful.

Quartz Infusion might be the better choise for most people, but way of the poacher isn't as bad as some people say, because - like shown - there are scenario's where it's just a really comfortable thing to have.

Thank you for the scenarios. Blood rage is getting to be a hassle with tougher mobs and I'm guessing the leech at end game isn't crucial since we try to avoid damage altogether and most healing is done with flasks.

Since our dmg is so high, is the life leech from the tree enough to heal to full rapidly or still need some from gear?

Whats the best single target skill early game? Everything before Blast Rain feels super weak.

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nEgativezEro89 escreveu:

There are a few outdated items, but the majority of what's listed is 2.2 viable. Neversink has updated the important stuff with 2.2 changes.

What items are outdated and what are the replacements?

Small question, when running LA i deal 100% Lightning Damage (LA converts 50% and PTL converts the other 50%) and the spec only have physical leech. Is there another spec for LA?

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Panini_aux_olives escreveu:

Yes it's ok. I was just about to reply to my message that your calculations are alright.

I am now running herald-coh-assassin's mark for autocursing while mapping, and a 20% proj weakness (which I got for 5c only, this gem is very impopular) for cursing bosses manually, and the more I think about it the more I am convinced that it is the best of both worlds.

Hi,

Until you have the uniques that trigger frenzy, if you run Tornado Shot you're pretty much forced to run Frenzy to generate...um...frenzy.

However, as may have been pointed out elsewhere, you can also use Ice Bite.

Therefore I am using Ice Shot as my preferred main attack.

This makes my primary:
4L - IS, GMP, WED, IB
5L - PTL
6L - Chain/PPAD

The idea of this is that it pretty much keeps my frenzy charges up. Especially when powered with Hatred + Herald of Ice. It also creates awesome AOE and is defensive too, because everything gets very, very cold.

My questions:
1) Does PTL reduce the impact of Life leech/mana leech because it is converting to Lightning?
2) Is Chain or PPAD better?
3) Does PTL reduce damage from Hatred?
4) Is there a more optimal setup I could use (without fundamentally changing what I'm doing or, say, playing a marauder please...)

Many thanks,
A


P.s. As an afterthought, could you use Hyporthermia instead of PTL?

I just tried champion phys bow and is insanely strong, previously i had 90 phys bow raider and it looks weak in comparison with champion. Perma 18 movespeed is very good for mapping ( and does not depend on frenzy charges like raider does)
It has same clearspeed capabilities like ranger but on top of that there is broken fortify with 22 all damage reduction. With that i could easily resign from dodge and saved 5 points by that. Also with daresso, rats nest, maligaro and rare boots + onslaught flask with armor suffix i got 5k armor, 6k evasion + 1.6sec immortall call due to daresso charges. No wonder champion is most picked class atm (excluding ascendant but its only one way for scion, while duelist got 3 ascendancies)

Tldr : want godlike phys bow : go champion