[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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Casia escreveu:

I don't have any LA experience. I can't comment on that directly.

Pathfinder is very universal though. The defensive gains from flasks apply to pretty much any build.
And vet bowyer applies to any elemental build, while master herbalist can be powerful for any physical damage one.

I have a CoC deadeye. the chain is pretty invaluable in making it effective. That would be tough to make use of as a pathfinder.

Blastrain and iceshot both actually have nice pathfinder and deadeye synergies in +aoe size.
deadeye itself has +20% size in endless muntions.
While for the pathfinder, the +aoe in Witch is right next to the +flask effect. Giving you justification for going up there.
Pathfinder can get +projectiles, +aoe, damage.. but can't replace deadeye chain.

LA has the AoE tag. does that just effect size, or damage as well?

I can't comment on the AoE tag referring to juse size or damage, but I CAN chime in on this discussion.

I do have LA experience. I was using Crit Voltaxic LA in Prophecy League. I'm certain that if your crit was decent enough (running Assassins Mark, either from Curse on hit with Herald of Ice or maybe a Split arrow Curse on hit for some power charges and Assassins Mark 8% extra chance for enemies to be crit would guarantee this) you'd have no problem generating the crits to make Pathfinder work with LA if you wanted to.

Of course, if you're going Voltaxic you're going to want to run Herald of Thunder and Wrath, but you definitely don't have to go Voltaxic for LA.

Returning after a long hiatus.

Would this be a reasonable skill tree progression for Champion:

41 Points

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAQDAAYjCIkVIBXsGbQj9i2DMHwylE2SUUddaHsUfXV_AorwjX2Nv5S4lQWa8aGko4qm4KfUsKu5HbvjvqfEgsSiyqnTftQj2cbh2-969qP5Y_66_sg=

57 Points

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAQDAAW1BiMIiRUgFewWvxm0I_YmlS2DMHwylDY9TZJRR11oYeJsjG1sdf17FH11fwKEb4rwjX2Nv5S4lQWa8Z2qoaSjiqbgp9Swq7VIuR27476nwUnEgsSiyNzKqdN-1CPUQtnG4dvndOjW73r2o_lj_h3-uv7I

80 Points

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAQDAAW1BiMIiQqbFSAV7Ba_GbQhdiP2JP0mlS2DMHwx-jKUNj051D7PTZJRR1T-VUtbr11oYeJsjG1scFJ1_Xb3eOt7FH11fwJ_K4Rvhs6J04rwjDaNfY2_lLiVBZrxnaqgn6GkpuCn1LCrtUi5Hbvjvea-p8EzwUnEgsSiyNzKqdN-1CPUQtnG3Q3h2-cK51TndOjW73r2o_lj_h3-uv7I_94=

90 Points

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAQDAAW1BiMIiQqbDY0V7Ba_IXYj9iT9JpUwcTB8MfoylDY9OdQ6Qj7PQzFLeEz_TZJOKlFHVP5VS1oaW69daGHibIxtbHBSdct1_Xb3eOt7FH11fwJ_K4Rvhs6J04rwjDaNfY1-jb-UuJUFmvGdqqCfoaSm4KfUsKu1SLkdu-O95r6nwTPBScMzxILEosjcyqnNmNN-1CPUQtnG3ajh2-cK51TndOjW6mLvevlj_MX-Hf66_sj_3g==

106 Points

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAQDAAUtBbUGIwiJCpsNjRXsFr8hdiPTI_Yk_SaVMHEwfDH6MpQ2PTnUOkI-z0MxR35KfUt4TP9Nkk4qUUdU_lVLVYVaGluvXWhh4mKsZU1sjG1sbydwUnTtdct1_Xb3eOt673sUfXV_An8rhG-Gzod2idOK8Iw2jX2Nfo2_lLiVBZpqmvGdqqCfoaSly6bgp9Swq7VIuR274702vea-p8EzwUnDM8SCxKLI3MqpzZjTftQj1ELZxtrB3ajh2-Of5wrnVOd06NbqYu96-WP8xf4d_rr-yP_e

I tried to stick as closely to the given tree/point cutoffs.

I wouldn't skip those life nodes. Even with fortify.

99% of the time, I go life first.

This is my thoughts on optimizing some of your pathing.
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAQDAAUtBbUGIwiJDY0V7Ba_IXYj0yP2JP0mlSyUMHwx-jKUNj051D7PQzFHfkp9TP9Nkk4qUUdVS1WFWhpbr11oYeJiF2KsZU1r1GyMcFJ07XXLdf1293rvexR71H11fwJ_K4RvhJSGzod2iXGJ04rwjDaNfY1-jb-PYJS4lQWa8Z2qoJ-hpKOKpcum4KfUqs2wq7TFtUi5HbvjvTa95r6nwTPC7MMzxILEosqpzZjTftRC2cbaweHb45_nVOpi62PsXO4O-WP8xf66_sj_3g==

I'm not sure if Neversinks builds are totally current. his first build has essence sap, his "augmented" one just has duelist dual leech. that Dual leech node is all you need now its attack damage.

I've been dropping quickstep out of all my builds. partially, due to taking druidic rite in all of them. and partially, deciding point for point its bad.

I have to say it. Champion gets 90% armor/eva in ascendancy. +duelist nodes. (And 200%armr/eva on low life.) I don't think acrobatics is a good idea. why would you intentionally half that armor?

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Casia escreveu:

I don't have any LA experience. I can't comment on that directly.

Pathfinder is very universal though. The defensive gains from flasks apply to pretty much any build.
And vet bowyer applies to any elemental build, while master herbalist can be powerful for any physical damage one.

I have a CoC deadeye. the chain is pretty invaluable in making it effective. That would be tough to make use of as a pathfinder.

Blastrain and iceshot both actually have nice pathfinder and deadeye synergies in +aoe size.
deadeye itself has +20% size in endless muntions.
While for the pathfinder, the +aoe in Witch is right next to the +flask effect. Giving you justification for going up there.
Pathfinder can get +projectiles, +aoe, damage.. but can't replace deadeye chain.

LA has the AoE tag. does that just effect size, or damage as well?

I thought about it a bit longer and I might just start out with TS pathfinder and respec into LA once I acquire better gear. As I said, playing SSF and LA might just be harder to gear for. I really like the pathfinder idea.

I throw together a tree that goes up to the witch area, mind having a look on it?
Im not taking arcane chemistry, but rather profane chemistry in order to reach a bit more life.

www.poeurl.com/Lxi

Stats in shor for 91 level treet:
Life: +178%
Crit Chance: +110%
3 jewels with access to 2 more if >91
2 frenzy charges from tree (not sure if I should even bother with these and go for other nodes instead)

Cheers
P

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Casia escreveu:

I wouldn't skip those life nodes. Even with fortify.

99% of the time, I go life first.

This is my thoughts on optimizing some of your pathing.
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAQDAAUtBbUGIwiJDY0V7Ba_IXYj0yP2JP0mlSyUMHwx-jKUNj051D7PQzFHfkp9TP9Nkk4qUUdVS1WFWhpbr11oYeJiF2KsZU1r1GyMcFJ07XXLdf1293rvexR71H11fwJ_K4RvhJSGzod2iXGJ04rwjDaNfY1-jb-PYJS4lQWa8Z2qoJ-hpKOKpcum4KfUqs2wq7TFtUi5HbvjvTa95r6nwTPC7MMzxILEosqpzZjTftRC2cbaweHb45_nVOpi62PsXO4O-WP8xf66_sj_3g==

I'm not sure if Neversinks builds are totally current. his first build has essence sap, his "augmented" one just has duelist dual leech. that Dual leech node is all you need now its attack damage.

I've been dropping quickstep out of all my builds. partially, due to taking druidic rite in all of them. and partially, deciding point for point its bad.

I have to say it. Champion gets 90% armor/eva in ascendancy. +duelist nodes. (And 200%armr/eva on low life.) I don't think acrobatics is a good idea. why would you intentionally half that armor?

Can you do a WR/Elemental tree?

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ben_hure escreveu:

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Casia escreveu:

I don't have any LA experience. I can't comment on that directly.

Pathfinder is very universal though. The defensive gains from flasks apply to pretty much any build.
And vet bowyer applies to any elemental build, while master herbalist can be powerful for any physical damage one.

I have a CoC deadeye. the chain is pretty invaluable in making it effective. That would be tough to make use of as a pathfinder.

Blastrain and iceshot both actually have nice pathfinder and deadeye synergies in +aoe size.
deadeye itself has +20% size in endless muntions.
While for the pathfinder, the +aoe in Witch is right next to the +flask effect. Giving you justification for going up there.
Pathfinder can get +projectiles, +aoe, damage.. but can't replace deadeye chain.

LA has the AoE tag. does that just effect size, or damage as well?

I thought about it a bit longer and I might just start out with TS pathfinder and respec into LA once I acquire better gear. As I said, playing SSF and LA might just be harder to gear for. I really like the pathfinder idea.

I throw together a tree that goes up to the witch area, mind having a look on it?
Im not taking arcane chemistry, but rather profane chemistry in order to reach a bit more life.

www.poeurl.com/Lxi

Stats in shor for 91 level treet:
Life: +178%
Crit Chance: +110%
3 jewels with access to 2 more if >91
2 frenzy charges from tree (not sure if I should even bother with these and go for other nodes instead)

Cheers
P

that 30% flask effect is so strong.. Even I have a hard to justifying all those points to get there though.
If you have Rumi's, taste of hate, or Undying sun. probably worth it. If not, probably not.

Also consider heartseeker vs throatseeker. Throat is a"justifing" the points up to witch.
but is 3 points for 70% crit multi. heartseeker is 3 points for 50% crit, 40% crit multi.

profane chem is 5 points for 12% life in your build, 50% flask life recovery.
revenge of the hunted would be 5 points for 12% life, 35% eva, and12% phys.
heart and soul would be 5 points for 20% life, 38% mana.
Duelist armor/eva/life is 4 points for 12% life, 18%eva/armor,3%attackspeed.

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Casia escreveu:

(That champion build did look pretty solid honestly.)

More solid than going pathfinder? Man, it is so difficult to choose an ascendancy! haha
Champion, Pathfinder, Deadeye....

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ben_hure escreveu:

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Casia escreveu:

(That champion build did look pretty solid honestly.)

More solid than going pathfinder? Man, it is so difficult to choose an ascendancy! haha
Champion, Pathfinder, Deadeye....

you have fortify. 20% reduced damage from hits. (damage over time, degens, etc don't hit.)
90% armor/eva
Fortify+this armor on a grante/jade will make you hella tanky.

15% attack speed.
8% move speed. eh.
35% attack damage. eh. (allies. huh. mirror arrow build!)
5% non-curse aura effect.

first to strike, last to fall.
40% inc damage when not low life.
200% increased armor/eva when on low life. again, massive boost to defense of a jade/granite on close calls. Think of the buff to even cwdt molten shell.
Elem status ailments removed whne you reach low life. Not nearly as good as immunity. but, a nice auto effect.
your hits intimidate enemies that are on full life. (10% increased damage.) This is a more multiplier.

That is some really solid stuff.

Is the AM+CoH+HoI setup that Neversink suggests not all that viable compared to other Assassin's Mark setups? Fairly new player here. I'm playing a TS Deadeye.

What are some other effective options with Assassins Mark? Is there any entirely different buff setups you guys are running?

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rvalen escreveu:

Is the AM+CoH+HoI setup that Neversink suggests not all that viable compared to other Assassin's Mark setups? Fairly new player here. I'm playing a TS Deadeye.

What are some other effective options with Assassins Mark? Is there any entirely different buff setups you guys are running?

prefer spreading AM via using LA-COH-AM-GMP