[3.11] Shaper = Stunned, Tidebreaker Heavy Strike Stunner Build

Just want to put a little adjustment for those people using this build as a league starter in order to build currencies for the character after this one. In the guide this build uses Tidebreaker (expensive!) and as alternative Marohi. As alternative before the Marohi I used the voidhome dreadmaul and that mace feels much better running maps than the Marohi because of several aspects:

Voidmaul has
* +50% attackspeed (as starter this is lovely with Leapslam!)
* manaleech (yay, no early worry about mana flask anymore)
* Marohi has reduced movementspeed, voidmaul not

Negative aspect:
* reduced XP gain (but who cares for a startercharacter)
* reduced rarity (again who cares, only IIQ matters)

Overall while farming it feels much smoother, since most mobs die fast anyway and the total dps on both maces are about equal.

Another little tweak I personally use:
the guide uses multistrike in aoe-clear. This works nicely as long as you don't 1 shot packs. But if you 1 shot packs, than your character stands still for another 2 attacks basically doing nothing. I'm still testing what gem is better to use here, but i feel a gem that increases something like attackspeed (if you use Marohi) or aoe (for other maces) will work better in the end for clearing.

Any ideas?

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Cloud_69 escreveu:

This is an early theory craft of how champion could work with crit and starforge to get much more damage and also stun as well ( crit will shock 100% of time so whenever it shocks consider it a buff in damage that i did not calculate )

Spoiler

This is for single target dps, if we can fix that aoe combo will be no prob at all if flicker strike does not feel to our playstyle

Also each crit hit will do arround 1.1 mil damage that leads to a guaranteed stun for 2 seconds

with 2 seconds stun and 59% crit and 4 attacks per second it will prob lead to stun lock with almost 3 mil dps in total.

Again this is a theory craft and a very draft tree/item variation based on the OP's build.

If someone has time to improve it for a better result it would be great to see a huge purple Sword stunning/melting shaper!

Here is Pob link : https://pastebin.com/L9CK2Hr5

I have been thinking about Champion's viability (with crit) since you messaged me this build before the league launch, and here are a collection of my thoughts:

Suggestions and Calculations:
Overall Review

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Deadlyshine escreveu:

Just want to put a little adjustment for those people using this build as a league starter in order to build currencies for the character after this one. In the guide this build uses Tidebreaker (expensive!) and as alternative Marohi. As alternative before the Marohi I used the voidhome dreadmaul and that mace feels much better running maps than the Marohi because of several aspects:

Voidmaul has
* +50% attackspeed (as starter this is lovely with Leapslam!)
* manaleech (yay, no early worry about mana flask anymore)
* Marohi has reduced movementspeed, voidmaul not

Negative aspect:
* reduced XP gain (but who cares for a startercharacter)
* reduced rarity (again who cares, only IIQ matters)

Overall while farming it feels much smoother, since most mobs die fast anyway and the total dps on both maces are about equal.

Another little tweak I personally use:
the guide uses multistrike in aoe-clear. This works nicely as long as you don't 1 shot packs. But if you 1 shot packs, than your character stands still for another 2 attacks basically doing nothing. I'm still testing what gem is better to use here, but i feel a gem that increases something like attackspeed (if you use Marohi) or aoe (for other maces) will work better in the end for clearing.

Any ideas?

Yes, Tidebreaker is expensive right now (due to reddit ppl memeing about Tidebreaker Jugg, and the recent ECoMS buff).

I am, however, very surprised to see Voidhome being mentioned as an alternative. Personally I have never thought about this mace (once I said to my friends this is the single worst unique in the game). But I see your point and I agree it might be viable.

I do want to mention some downsides of Voidhome: faster attack speed is destructive to our stun capability, which may bring safety issues during early league mapping (I do admit being slow also causes safety issues). While increased rarity means nothing, reduced rarity actually matters a bit, in early league you want to be seeing uniques, rare jewelries, etc. The mana leech can be obtained quite easily from jewelries and you don't need to rely on mana flasks to begin with.

I actually see it being a good idea to equip Voidhome in off-hand, with a 4-link being Leap Slam + Faster Attacks + Blood Magic + Fortify; just like how people use Brightbeak as a movement 2nd weapon (but cheap?).

Multistrike is used because, if you use Heavy Strike, multistrike auto targets mobs nearby, creating 3 blasts (usually at 3 different directions) near you; you will feel like you have larger AoE due to this effect. If you use Sunder, it auto-targets remaining mobs and saves effort (don't need to target every single mob manually).

Before you're well-geared, there is this problem of low attack speed leading to Multistrike's extra attacks feeling clunky. If you feel you're at a spot when you clear faster and smoother without Multistrike, you can definitely take it out. In end-game we attack pretty fast anyways and you will definitely want to use Multistrike then.

EDIT: forgot to say thanks to your suggestion, I will test Voidhome out.

What the heck is going on with tidebreaker priced at 150c shit rolled?!

How on earth will we make currency with low mapping due to excuse of a weapon liek Marohi ?

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Cloud_69 escreveu:

What the heck is going on with tidebreaker priced at 150c shit rolled?!

How on earth will we make currency with low mapping due to excuse of a weapon liek Marohi ?

Tidebreaker has always been a rare drop, the price was always low because of low demand. Now due to the new ECoMS buff as well as many different asendancies being able to make Tidebreaker builds, the demand went up, making this rare drop very expensive.

Marohi is indeed a pretty bad weapon, and I am thinking about experimenting with different ones to see if there's a good substitute before being able to afford a Tidebreaker.

Currently, number 1 on the list is Kongor's Undying Rage. I believe this is better than Marohi (I did not recommend it initially as the price was high, but currently it's not.)

Number 2 on the list is Brain Rattler. This should work pretty well during early endgame. Number 3 on the list is Jorrhast's Blacksteel. I will test it out soon to see if the Animate Weapon helps or not.

EDIT: I think it's pretty obvious that Kongor's Undying Rage and Brain Rattler are better choices. I have made changes in the guide to recommend these weapons instead. I previously recommended Marohi because I personally started this build with a 4-link Marohi (pseudo 5-link). But as I am also recommending putting the main skill link inside body armour, the main advantage of Marohi isn't used anymore. Also, Kongor's Undying Rage was expensive when I wrote that section, but it seems to not be the case anymore.

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brightwaha escreveu:

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Cloud_69 escreveu:

What the heck is going on with tidebreaker priced at 150c shit rolled?!

How on earth will we make currency with low mapping due to excuse of a weapon liek Marohi ?

Tidebreaker has always been a rare drop, the price was always low because of low demand. Now due to the new ECoMS buff as well as many different asendancies being able to make Tidebreaker builds, the demand went up, making this rare drop very expensive.

Marohi is indeed a pretty bad weapon, and I am thinking about experimenting with different ones to see if there's a good substitute before being able to afford a Tidebreaker.

Currently, number 1 on the list is Kongor's Undying Rage. I believe this is better than Marohi (I did not recommend it initially as the price was high, but currently it's not.)

Number 2 on the list is Brain Rattler. This should work pretty well during early endgame. Number 3 on the list is Jorrhast's Blacksteel. I will test it out soon to see if the Animate Weapon helps or not.

EDIT: I think it's pretty obvious that Kongor's Undying Rage and Brain Rattler are better choices. I have made changes in the guide to recommend these weapons instead. I previously recommended Marohi because I personally started this build with a 4-link Marohi (pseudo 5-link). But as I am also recommending putting the main skill link inside body armour, the main advantage of Marohi isn't used anymore. Also, Kongor's Undying Rage was expensive when I wrote that section, but it seems to not be the case anymore.

I was indeed also looking at Kongor's, but haven't tested yet. Seems a very viable choice for 2 reasons:
- 20% resis, which means it opens more options on rings/amu cause resis is easier capped. For myself I can change my helmet from goldrim to devoto.
- hit's can't be evaded, so we can respec resolute technique, meaning a free skillpoint. Plus we can crit again (no RT), but instead we get free onslaught = more chance to stun bosses or slightly faster farming.

I haven't tested, but brain rattler seems less viable choice cause flee is implemented in the weapon. We already don't have a super aoe clearspeed, with mobs fleeing this gets even worse if you don't 1 shot?

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Deadlyshine escreveu:

I was indeed also looking at Kongor's, but haven't tested yet. Seems a very viable choice for 2 reasons:
- 20% resis, which means it opens more options on rings/amu cause resis is easier capped. For myself I can change my helmet from goldrim to devoto.
- hit's can't be evaded, so we can respec resolute technique, meaning a free skillpoint. Plus we can crit again (no RT), but instead we get free onslaught = more chance to stun bosses or slightly faster farming.

I haven't tested, but brain rattler seems less viable choice cause flee is implemented in the weapon. We already don't have a super aoe clearspeed, with mobs fleeing this gets even worse if you don't 1 shot?

The flee won't be so bad.

1. There is only 10% chance to flee.

2. Flee doesn't mean instantly moving away from screen, we are still going to hit the next couple of hits and kill them. Slayer clearing with Heavy Strike can pull them back as well.

3. Stunned enemies can't run away.

That being said, I also agree that Brain Rattler is a less viable choice, but just in case that Kongor's price goes insane, I prefer to put up 2 choices, and Brain Rattler seems to be the best follow up choice to me.

Picked up a Kongors after getting frustrated with the tide breaker prices. Only at level 78 but I can attest the Onslaught isn't bad without any investment into crit. Doubt the price will go even close to where tidebreaker is now so it might just be a viable choice to find another way to generate end charges. As a slayer I'm not exactly sure how. Vengeance + Stun + End on stun is what I've got in my chest and it kinda works if I'm not stunning constantly but as for during mapping its pretty meh.

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Lenaric escreveu:

Picked up a Kongors after getting frustrated with the tide breaker prices. Only at level 78 but I can attest the Onslaught isn't bad without any investment into crit. Doubt the price will go even close to where tidebreaker is now so it might just be a viable choice to find another way to generate end charges. As a slayer I'm not exactly sure how. Vengeance + Stun + End on stun is what I've got in my chest and it kinda works if I'm not stunning constantly but as for during mapping its pretty meh.

Enduring Cry may be used to generate endurance charges, but why do you really want them to begin with?

Because we if don't have a Tidebreaker yet and don't have Endurance Charge on Melee Stun Support on our main damage link, we don't benefit that much from endurance charges anymore - it's just 4% physical mitigation per charge. I would just forget about endurance charges until I have a Tidebreaker.

What about Perseverance Belt? Thoughts on it?




So far fortify/onslaught is up like 100% of the time for me. I'm really enjoying the qol boost this is giving.