[3.7] Ahfack's Crimson Cyclone | Shaper FULL Life Kill Vid | 100% Pure Phys | All Content | PoBs

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AndyLovesHisBge escreveu:

Could some one advise me on the following choice I have with this build:

Choice 1: Using Deodre's Ring run Vulnerability and Enfeeble

Choice 2: Using a steel ring with life, run Enfeeble and Haste


I am currently using choice 1 but I am wondering if picking up some more life via the steel ring would make more sense. I have no life on the Deodre's Ring.

All depends what you want, man. It's up to you. Enfeeble essentially makes your enemies do 30% less damage which gives you more tankiness than 70life on a ring. Vulnerability curses your enemies with 39% increased physical damage taken and 33% increased DoT which is probably more than flat phys. However, intelligence, res, flat phys, and life on the steel rings are the eventual ultimate BiS for you. Just depends where your character is at and what you feel like running.

I run Uber atziri with both Vulnerability and Enfeeble and use a ruby flask and can sometimes survive a direct flame blast hit. But on maps, you probably don't need enfeeble if your life pool is high enough.

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nNymphus escreveu:

So today i tried Shaper for the first time ever with this Build and killed him, unfortunitly died a couple of times until the last Portal (mainly because i aint know the next attack's of him).

And im Glad playing this Build because Mapping is Hella fun while spinning and laying on your chair aswell as Bossing because of the 20% Cull + Insane Life leech.
Trying to improve my Gear and as soon as i get some better stuff i'll try Uber atzululu.

Awesome! Great first shaper run - lucky drop too :) will put this in reviews section

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wooikhong escreveu:

Hi, would like to ask if it is ok to start off by taking the physical dmg nodes instead of attack speed nodes?

If you want to, I prefer attack speed though

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Kingxxx escreveu:

hello

this is a noob question. i dont have a 6L axe but got a 6L armor, will that work for this build?

For leveling, however Kaoms will always be BiS because we need highest life pool as possible to avoid one-shots

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Lionheartbyu escreveu:

so as a solo player i would be better off served using brutality? i see.

thanks for the build btw!

gonna work on 6 linking that disfavor and then probably move on to making the steel rings better, then finishing off with boots then gloves.
that sound like a good path to take?

Ya, it's such a small difference though for a secondary skill that's not always up, but sure you can use brutality there.

Sounds like a good plan!

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ooopah escreveu:

i'm a semi-new player and i came across this build. i think this build is really good and i am planning to respec into this build, and i just want to list down some points for discussion.

1. i was using a generic RT 2H cyclone running hatred and HOA, and i wanted to respec into this build. however i read a post in this thread which says that cyclone is not good for bleed as it does small amounts of damage per hit, with very fast hits.

2. couple of days ago i saw a forum post of a guy dual-wielding soul taker in main hand using sunder to cause bleed and he took down shaper with it. while dual-wielding has 10% more attack speed and 20% more phys damage, he is using sunder on a soul taker which has slightly less or equal dps than 2H weapons using cyclone.

3. i think despite the post which says cyclone may not be good for bleed, disfavour and other 2H weapons on cyclone is definitely comparable if not better than 1H using sunder in terms of dps, and because of this i think phys bleed cyclone will be a good choice and better than running hatred and HOA. i think hatred and HOA simply does not do enough when it comes to the real late game bosses, and so many map mods which reduce elemental damage effectiveness such as monster resistance, elemental equilibrium, etc. this is comparable to map boss reduced curse effectiveness, however i think the bleed damage will make the difference here.

4. planning to run blas-vuln-enlighten-haste as auras, which should be sufficient for almost all content. i think dual curse is not strictly required. also the good thing is that i can swap haste with a purity aura depending on the map mods (just use a few chroms, it's worth it especially at high levels where death is very costly).

5. i think the steel rings that ahfack is using is not required and only use when you want to min-max the build. the damage is already very good without steel rings and i plan to use coral rings for the life, which are much cheaper.

please feel free to correct me where i am wrong.

1. As I responded previously, this is not just a "bleed build" - this is a PURE PHYSICAL build. Bleed damage is physical damage over time and is just one part of the equation. We do not take nodes like Dirty Techniques or invest in poison or anything like that. We just make sure we're making our enemies bleed 100% of the time and deal as much physical damage as we can, combining several initial impact hits and bleed stacks. It still does really good damage, just not as much as say, pre-3.0 earthquake. We build up the bleed stacks quickly with cyclone and high attack speed. PoB doesn't calculate Crimson Dance.

2. How Cyclone is balanced, it will always deal less dmg per hit than mostly any other skill. This isn't a heavy strike/sunder build where we are scaling x-y damage. We're scaling pure physical damage in all forms while also investing in being extremely fast and tanky. I wouldn't really compare different skills just because they are tagged "melee". Blade flurry vs. Elemental Hit - GO :D

3. Pure Phys cyclong is extremely strong with 2H right now with weapons such as Atziri Disfavour, Hate Splitter, or Starforge. Hatred and HoA are fine, but that's been done for years. As mentioned previously, I wanted to do something new, not use the same 2 auras that have been cookie-cutter for years and years. Elemental Pen and projectiles are insane in this game right now, and given how it looks so far, elemental pen will always be stronger than pure phys because of all the ways to scale it.

4. Correct, dual curse is not required, that's why I advise haste/vuln as a valid option, which is good as well. Since we're pure phys though and we don't care about any auras so that allows us to utilize both tanky and damage dealing curses such as vulnerability or punishment, and enfeeble.

5. Correct, insane steel rings aren't required, but they are best for us for endgame and min-maxing. I do think flat phys is extremely important though, but if you need to pick up some int on tree instead of having it on rings that's fine too. Int on two-toned arm/es boots is a good option as well, or essence of spite boots.

Hello. One question. If i use haste with witchfire flask, what 1 curse should i choose? Vuln, punish or enfeeble? Or much better to playing with doedre's ring?

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YukiCleveland escreveu:

Hello. One question. If i use haste with witchfire flask, what 1 curse should i choose? Vuln, punish or enfeeble? Or much better to playing with doedre's ring?

Well, when your witchfire brew flask is up, vulnerability is up. So there's that. You can only curse them with an additional curse if you have +1 curse from somewhere. Ring, chest, boots, tree only other options.

I prefer enfeeble for uber atziri/shaper and punishment for general mapping.

Ok, so to me the "200% of Life Leech applies to Enemies as Chaos Damage" we get from retch seems to be massively overrated, due to life leech being limited by Maximum Life Leech rate to 43% of our maximum life per second. Assuming 6k hp that would give us about 5.2k dps which seems pretty negligible to the amount of dps we'll be doing from our hits and bleeed.

Feel free to correct me if I'm missing something, misunderstanding or the mechanics I've read about the retch are innacurate.

No disrespect intended, I think the build is amazing nonetheless :)

hi,

put culling strike instead ruthless is a bad idea? ^^