[3.8] SonicSunder, 3M+ DPS, SSF, HC, BEGINNER LEAGUE STARTER, UBER LAB/ELDER, SHAPER, FAST

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Frezore escreveu:
so i have just started on this build but i dont see how is ur thougth of having no mana. what is it that will make me still able to cast sunder?
Soul taker, poacher's mana gained on hit, warlord's mana leech, mana leech on jewelery or gloves (i used slitherpinch to level)
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Hayllit escreveu:
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Hey man, thanks for the build guide. I've played 2 variations of Sunder (zerker and gladiator) in 3.0 as well, so far, your build seems at least just as good. I do have a couple of questions though. How tough is uber izaro on a tabula? I'd like to get rid of tabula before that and I don't know whether I should go for 6L brass dome or 6L belly first. What's your recommendation?

Edit: actually, damage on full life also confuses me a bit. I think I have plenty of leech, but with blood rage on, my hp just stays at 4 points below max (doesn't go down due to overleech). Does the gem still work in this situation?
Brass dome for sure for uberlab. You can facetank everything he throws at you with around 5k HP with fortify + flasks up. I was doing uberlab with a 5L brass dome, which I sold later for 100c early on in the league.

- Yes, bloodrage works with overleech. The 4 points is just a graphical bug. i assure you if you have enough overleech, the dmg on full hp gem will be working.
Thanks for the help man. Will raise a couple more ex for the dome and I'll come back with an assessment :D
Thank you for the guide. Finally a build that can run Ulab and maps with same speed...

So this is my gear atm:

Gear


I still have 2 jewels to change (life roll + 2 dmg/attack nodes are 20-30c). Than i will start Ulab farming to get currency for 6l Brass Dome. I must also get some good lab enchant on helmet.

Just a question about life. How much HP do you have? I am at 5,2k atm.

Ty




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Just a question about life. How much HP do you have? I am at 5,2k atm.


I know you are asking OP, but I currently have 4,895 at level 88.

I was playing SSF until today actually because I was being held back by (still wasn't even that bad) not having The Brass Dome and Soul Taker. I have to say that this is very SSF friendly until you need the 6L (I didn't really NEED it, I just wanted to progress faster). Surprisingly I got a pretty decent 5L chest and found 2ex within 2 days of each other, which made getting the Brass Dome even easier.
Última edição por ThunderHAM#5615 em 27 de dez de 2017 18:26:45
Great guide! love the build, Xcise.

Just a question regarding off-hand. I am currently using The Princess Sabre as per the guide`s recommendation, however I see that you are using a claw with less IAS, no added phys damage, although with 40% phys as increased lightning damage and added fire damage. Which of these would be better to use, and what should I mainly look for in a stat stick? Any specific off-hand I should be looking out for, if not Princess?

Also, with these new Abyss sockets, is the Belt of the Deceiver still a good/better choice?
Thank you!
Última edição por Snawb#1204 em 27 de dez de 2017 21:21:44
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Snawb escreveu:
Great guide! love the build, Xcise.

Just a question regarding off-hand. I am currently using The Princess Sabre as per the guide`s recommendation, however I see that you are using a claw with less IAS, no added phys damage, although with 40% phys as increased lightning damage and added fire damage. Which of these would be better to use, and what should I mainly look for in a stat stick? Any specific off-hand I should be looking out for, if not Princess?

Also, with these new Abyss sockets, is the Belt of the Deceiver still a good/better choice?
Thank you!


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Xcise escreveu:
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Erdnusskern escreveu:
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taiiWanNo1 escreveu:
Did you look at the new unique?
Nebuloch Nightmare Mace. how is it compared to Princess.

Can we handle the degen?

Or a new rare weapon with 2 extra damage is just overwhelming.


It's too slow.
The princess and the claws have about 1.8 aps instead of just 1.4
APS on offhand doesn't matter. We should have around 2k+ life leeched per second, so we should be able to handle the degen from both blood rage and that unique weapon. Sounds like BiS for now if you're going endurance charges with warlord's mark/doedre's for endurance sustain.
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kan3 escreveu:
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Starting to feel this build is bad, cannot even facetank Argus, try to carry uber lab with 2 people or more and you're gonna die, in high tier maps you're gonna die. Tried T5 white elder, I died. Thinking about rerolling into something else. Build was fun, but not end-game viable.
Brass dome + lion's roar makes argus a walk in the park. Get more DPS. Elder is like shaper, it's a skill-based DPS check. Get more DPS.
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Heralin escreveu:
Argus is still one hitting me... any advices?
Get more life, basalt flask + lion's roar + brass dome.
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kan3 escreveu:
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Hi Xcise, please kindly some advice on what to upgrade next,



also got

Looking good.

1) Get better jewels
2) get 15% AS sunder helm
3) Divine soul taker a few times for more DPS or buy a high rolled soul taker from poe.trade
4) More life and phys dmg on rings
5) Use a high life + high phys amulet instead of carnage heart for more DPS
6) Lion's roar instead of stibnite flask
7) Insanity essence on gloves
8) Optimize your passive tree, I don't know what's going on there. Did you respec from another build?
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moooff escreveu:
Is the lifeleech implicit on claws global or local ? Or are you using offhand claw to get leap slam only use main hand ?
Lifeleech% implicit on claws is local and doesn't work. Life gained on hit is global and works for sunder. attack speed on offhand doesn't matter, both sunder and leap slam uses main hand only.
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spacor escreveu:
have found a post in a forum that say all life leech in % or per hit are global. should be works on sunder
Incorrect for lifeleech%, but lgoh works. We get enough lifeleech% from ascendency anyway (0.4%), and atziri flask.
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W4rn0XxX escreveu:
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I'm kinda lost, and can't find an answer by testing it (it just confuse me more :D ) or on the forums.

What are the modifiers needed in a offhand weapon to increase the sunder dps?

Attack speed? Added cold/fire/lightning damage?

Is an axe better in offhand because of the nodes we took in the skill tree, or the type of weapon doesn't change anything?

BTW, amazing build!

Thanks you by advance ;)

What you want on your offhand:

1) Phys gained as ele (cold/lightning/fire/random ele)
2) Weapon elemental damage with attacks.
3) Life gained on hit (claws)
4) Res
5) Int


6) Not sure if it is local/global
But there are a tonne more mods that you can use:
http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=Shaper#Claws
http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=Elder#Claws

We do not need attack speed or phys damage on offhand, sunder/leap slam only uses main hand.
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W4rn0XxX escreveu:
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Could you tell me why I have less sunder dps with this weapon in offhand :


than with this one :
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53 350 dps with the claw, 63 890 dps with the axe :/
Download a program called path of building and you'll see the true DPS. Do not trust the tooltip DPS.
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Porsche112 escreveu:
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Does the attack speed per second matter on the offhand claw?
Should we be aiming for 1.8 or does it not make a difference?
Thanks.
Attack speed on the offhand does not make a difference.
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LTHobo escreveu:
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Anyone reason why we don't run phys dmg doryani's? Granted there's no extra +life compared to Deceiver but the res and phy% is better and the reduced crit damage is kind of redundant with Brass Dome
Deceiver gives more DPS. intimidation gives 10% MORE damage for us, while doryani only gives INCREASED. MORE is always better than INCREASED.
Última edição por memberx#0685 em 28 de dez de 2017 01:52:50


Really love this build but I just don't see how this is a boss killer.
For general mapping it will do up to t16 easy. However I personally don't see
how it shines on bosses. The single target dps is just not there. Maybe there is
something lacking in my gear but I think my gear is above average. Any suggestions?
Maybe a crit version would help with the single target damage? I feel when I do bosses I
seem to just run around 30 % of the time to avoid dieing.
Última edição por Porsche112#3210 em 28 de dez de 2017 07:18:22
Hello! I absolutely love this build again on dualist, great job!

The DPS is great, survivability and clear spead is so damn good not to mention that bosses are piece of cake - I'm usually vaaling red maps and yolo'ing them without any fear. Yes, you have to jump around and juke some stuff, but even with medicore items you are able to do high tier maps, Elder and his Guardians. My favourite build on PoE so far because of its simplicity. I experiment with every map, every mod and boss because I finally can, thanks to this build.

I have one question for more experienced players than me playing this build: is it Uber Atziri viable? Normal Atziri is easy to do but I have never done Uber Atziri in my entire PoE carrier so I don't know if it's save to try. What should I be aware of (aside from flame circles, spear girl and bursting red aoe)? Is there a helpfull flask or gear to farm Uber Atziri? Or is it simply: get Brass Dome and go rekt them all?
Thank you for your answers in advance ;)
Hello, noob here. My first play through ever. I'm running this build until level 72 right now. Having trouble with Izaro on the third lab and don't want to do Kitava on Act 10 yet because I feel too squishy. I have not been able to afford the expensive gear yet at all. So I'm just running Tabula Rasa and all the affordable stuff that just cost a couple Chaos Orbs.

One major question I have is how do you add increase sunder attack speed on gear like the helmet?
If I want to buy the helmet with this already on it it's like 30+ Chaos which I don't have as a poor pleb.
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K0stas escreveu:
Hello, noob here. My first play through ever. I'm running this build until level 72 right now. Having trouble with Izaro on the third lab and don't want to do Kitava on Act 10 yet because I feel too squishy. I have not been able to afford the expensive gear yet at all. So I'm just running Tabula Rasa and all the affordable stuff that just cost a couple Chaos Orbs.

One major question I have is how do you add increase sunder attack speed on gear like the helmet?
If I want to buy the helmet with this already on it it's like 30+ Chaos which I don't have as a poor pleb.


The attack speed on the helmet is from Ulab enchant. Good helms with good enchantment are worth a LOT!

First you should get other gear (5l brass dome, ...). Than you can start doing Ulab farming if you want and hope for good enchant...and make big profits...

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