[3.25] Scourge Arrow Poison Prolif Pathfinder - Fast, tanky, fun to play

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Rootsmann escreveu:

Seeing that you updated the endgame optimisation I re-read it and noticed that: "For tree optimizations, if you can get enough Intelligence and Strength from gear, you can remove Primal Spirit"

I was debating with myself removing these 2 passives, but I was more hesitating on the 5% flask effect and the 20% increased flask charge gain.

From your experience, the 20% increased charge gain is not really usefull as a Pathfinder?

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Seldric_ escreveu:

This build looks like a lot of fun. Sorry if these are asked already but its hard to find in these big threads.

Are you recommending Toxic Rain all the way until maps, and then switch to Scourge arrow?

For the gem links, can you use herald of agony without supports? Wasn't sure why it doesn't have any minion damage / damage on full life supports for example, unless its damage is insignificant compared to your own damage at end game?

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Essenteal escreveu:

Hi all , what about crafting end-game elder bow version with Vicious Projectiles + Delve mod ?

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oPlaiD escreveu:

In PoB going from Darkscorn to my VP+poison mod bow gives me nearly 45% more poison damage:

I got lucky and bought the base already 6L with VP+Poison mod and two trash suffixes for 4ex, so it was fairly cheap to wipe the suffixes and multimod it. Not many good crafted suffixes so I went with the top attack speed roll and the hybrid accuracy mod, but you can do what you want.

Chaos Dmg+Delve Poison mod will top Darkscorn, and this bow will top that by a significant margin.

It isn't THAT bad to craft one yourself now since Corroded fossil has dropped in price to 4/5c compared to the 10/11c I was paying for rolls before I managed to buy that base. Plus the Delve stash tab has made fossil buying in bulk much easier.

Rolling bows with just Corroded fossil is the simplest and generally most effective way to land these two mods. You can do Corroded+Aberrant if you want the chance to land the Despair on hit mod and it'll give you about the same chance to land VP+Delve mod as solo Corroded, but then you have to deal with buying twice as many fossils.

And just be warned when I say it isn't "that bad" to craft a bow like this, we're talking something like a 0.75% chance to land any level VP mod plus the Delve poison mod. That means you'll need to spend maybe 5-6ex on average to land the mod combination, and even if you do it may have an extra trash prefix or three suffixes so you'll need to land annuls to make it craftable.

But if you're looking for another place to push this build and you aren't doing a Darkscorn+Divine Flesh setup, going for the VP bow is the way to do it.

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On the same line, I got rid of the Scion life and Sentinel by anointing Constitution "accidendtaly", so I'm also debating droping Profane chemistry and getting Perfect agony from the tree with those points. This would be an experiment.

How much do you value Profane chemistry and what flask would choose over witchfire brew in place of Coralito?

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Rootsmann escreveu:

Thanks for your answers on the flask nodes.

I edited my post but right when you answered (as seen in your quotation) so you missed thise part:

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On the same line, I got rid of the Scion life and Sentinel by anointing Constitution "accidendtaly", so I'm also debating droping Profane chemistry and getting Perfect agony from the tree with those points. This would be an experiment.

How much do you value Profane chemistry and what flask would choose over witchfire brew in place of Coralito?

What is your opinion.

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thedeathbeam escreveu:

Pathing to Perfect Agony is not worth it when we can have basically 100% uptime on Corallito. It also adds a lot of duration and poison chance. I would not replace Corallito with Witchfire personally.

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Rootsmann escreveu:

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thedeathbeam escreveu:

Pathing to Perfect Agony is not worth it when we can have basically 100% uptime on Corallito. It also adds a lot of duration and poison chance. I would not replace Corallito with Witchfire personally.

I kind of agree with you but the benefit/loss are so not obvious that I'll argue this:

Provided the Scion wheel and Profane Chemistry are not taken, we have enough points to do whatever we want. Perfect agony ask for 4 points, so does "King of heel" bow wheel (my current choice).

So we compare:

King of heel + Coralito
+ 46% Damage with bow
+ 120% crit chance (useless damage wise with Corallito except if you have frenzy on crit)
+ 46% dot damage
+ 15% crit multi
+ 75% poison duration
+ 25% chance to poison
+ knockback on crit

with Perfect agony + Witchfire
- 5% chaos res on ennemy (compared to a lv12 curse from gloves)
+ 4% increased got damage taken for ennemies (compared to a lv12 curse from gloves)
+ 20 flat chaos damage (compared to a lv12 curse from gloves)
+ 40% dot damage
+ blind on smoke cloud
+ ALL CRIT MULTI on initial hits for poison calculation since Coralito is gone.

The stats from perfect agony + witchfire are hard to evaluate. The numbers are small on despair improvement but they affect mobs stats which is of great influence. The combinaison of an additional 20 flat chaos damage and the fact that crits do crit now imply that the initial poison damage (before all our multipliers) will be singnificantly higher. As for poison chance, we stand at more than 90% without the flask, I'll check tonight if it's not 100% actually.

What do chief !?? :D
No but more seriously, are you interested in evaluating the pros and cons or do you see this as not really interesting? I would understand any case.