[3.8 updated] Post-nerfed "Vengeance on Crit" Gladiator. Counter-attacks are still fine. 8m+ dps

== UPDATE 3.8 ==

Vengeance's built-in physical damage got a big 66% nerf, but it also has a roughly 25% more damage effectiveness as a compensation.

Damage of the original build with PotCG in 3.7 got at least halved due to the change, but the build idea (vengeance as main damage source) is still viable and worth building around. The itemization needs adjustment, PotCG is no longer an ideal weapon since vengeance got 66% less "spellized", we should go back to some real weapons with decent damage now. At my first thought, dual-wielding Razor of the Seventh Sun and going full elemental conversion would be a way to go. Nope it turns out physical staff is still better.

Revisited this build in Blight league, working great so far.

Completed PoB 3.8: https://pastebin.com/f2B8ZvhM

T16 Crater map (build still in progress):https://youtu.be/Zqdi7-w4c5M

364 Aul: https://youtu.be/Q4HmxE-c6zM

== few changes in 3.8 ==


== current setup in 3.8 BSC ==

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== Overview ==

In patch 3.7, most melee skills got "spellized" by GGG -- they make the gems to have built-in base damage just like spells. Among these skills, counter attacks (reckoning/riposte/vengeance) are the most spellized ones, they have some absurd level of base damage built-in which opens some new ways to build around them. I just wanted to exploit the shit out of them.

At first I made a facebreaker riposte/reckoning build, the damage is crazy but I found the playstyle is a bit too passive for me. And in some fights you just don't have enough things to block and end up having no damage cuz counter attacks never triggered. This makes the damage feels very inconsistent.

To fix this, I made this build as my 2nd iteration of counter-attack build: using Vengeance instead cuz it triggers when *hit* so it's possible to actively trigger it by self-hitting. Vengeance requires weapon to use so facebreaker is out, but luckily we have the unique staff Pillar of the Caged Gods that serves the same purpose -- providing a fat modifier to scale the built-in base damage.

Then I need to decide how to hit myself. I have 3 options on the table -- Scolds Bridle, Gluttony and Eye of Innocence. Gluttony triggers on *use*, I don't want to spam my right-click so gluttony is out; Scolds is good but it's nearly impossible to get a correctly enchanted one in current meta and the 30% cdr enchant is too important to give up, so I ended up using Eye of Innocence.

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== Pros & Cons ==


== Core Idea TLDR ==


== pob & calculations ==


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== Jewels and Timeless Jewel ==


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== Discussion ==

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Hey,

i have already seen this build on reddit and its awesome. I started this concept as a reckoning/riposte facebreaker glad but the biggest problem for me was freeing the legion (even with vaal breach couldnt free up almost anything)

So i am rerolling into this.

Couple of questions:

1. Does riposte work with staff when u block? If so can the self inflicted fire damage via amulet by blocked by spell block and thus triggering riposte?

2. Glad violent retaliation - do u get phys damage and block chance everytime u block the eye of innocence fire hit?

3. Can u trigger vengenace with heartbound loop ring? Something like Cyclone-cwc-golem? Everytime u resummon the golem u should take the phys damage.

Thanks for your input and great job with the build.

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1. Does riposte work with staff when u block? If so can the self inflicted fire damage via amulet by blocked by spell block and thus triggering riposte?

self-hitting cannot trigger riposte or reckoning.

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2. Glad violent retaliation - do u get phys damage and block chance everytime u block the eye of innocence fire hit?

that's an interesting question, honestly I was not sure if the self-inflicted hits can be blocked or not. I spent 20 regrets to swap to violent retaliation and did some test with scolds and gluttony, I never see my block chance increased by violent retaliation. I think that means self-inflicted hits cannot be blocked, which also explains why they never trigger riposte or reckoning.

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3. Can u trigger vengenace with heartbound loop ring? Something like Cyclone-cwc-golem? Everytime u resummon the golem u should take the phys damage.

heartbound loop can trigger vengeance but i don't think it will be efficient. Vengeance only has 44% chance to trigger when hit, you need to hit yourself rather frequently to make the trigger feels consistent.

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Hi!

Can i ask you how you can generate frenzy charges in boss fights (sry for my english)?

Nice Build!!
I want take a try about sword/shield.
sword of pdps 370 more and shield of The Surrender
Shield for 4-link 30LV Reckoning
other part for 4-link 21LVRiposte and 4-link cyclone
chest for 6-link Vengeance

do it work?

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nicklencz escreveu:

Hi!

Can i ask you how you can generate frenzy charges in boss fights (sry for my english)?

you get endurance/frenzy charges from passive "Charging Offensive", you're constantly hitting yourself with eye of innocence.

Wich Pantheons do you use?

Brilliant