[3.20] Ice Dancing Queen - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

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SGBye escreveu:
What do you guys think about this build in 3.20 with all those unique jewels gone / becoming much harder to obtain?


It's a big hit, but the build has been done without them before IIRC.
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SGBye escreveu:
What do you guys think about this build in 3.20 with all those unique jewels gone / becoming much harder to obtain?


will be more expensive to get the %reservation brute forces to fit hatrade or instead need a lvl 5 awakened enlighten.

In general, to swap for WI on the beginning of the league will be harder, since need lots of brute forces / fertile mind to have a decent int and do damage on yelow maps, so its better buy all jewels before swap (my recomendation).

On hi-end builds, just 5 Brute Forces + 1 Fertile mind needed with %reservation to fit hatred or play without it, is not a big deal, just 20% less damage.

I'm not sure if the new versions of BF and FM will be able to have any implicit, it will impact on trickster and occultist versions.

Scion versions seems to be ok, harder to start, less damage overall, but still in a regular spot to do all game content with enought effort. Like aways slowly but surely!
Is Scion still the recommended ascendancy for a beginner or does Trickster's sustain and leech make it easier?
@whiterockxx: the new BF/FM are corrupted only. Presumably, when you get them via a corrupt, you get an implicit sometime -- I assume! We will find out. (GGG hasn't said anything about the div cards that give FM -- maybe they overlooked them!)

@Palts: if you're a beginner, stick with the Trickster version. Or even if you're an expert. The Trickster version is by far the tankier (though it's possible the templar variation is also tanky.)
Última edição por Graiaule#7461 em 3 de dez. de 2022 20:31:11
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Graiaule escreveu:
@whiterockxx: the new BF/FM are corrupted only. Presumably, when you get them via a corrupt, you get an implicit sometime -- I assume! We will find out. (GGG hasn't said anything about the div cards that give FM -- maybe they overlooked them!)


It's unlikely. You can just check for yourself: There's exactly zero "Brittle Barriers" with at least one implicit for trade anywhere - Standard, league, online, or offline, and that's one of the Vaal conversion jewels.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/G2VQKoYub

One might be able to get them from the divination cards that give corrupted jewels with implicits, but I'm not sure.

Of course, they might have changed the process so implicits can appear, but I have a feeling they'd have mentioned it given how often it's been brought up.
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Palts escreveu:
Is Scion still the recommended ascendancy for a beginner or does Trickster's sustain and leech make it easier?


I recommend respec into whispering ice only after have jewels enought to do it... coz it will be little pain to get then.
@Walkiry -- that's fascinating! Thanks!
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whiterockxx escreveu:
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Palts escreveu:
Is Scion still the recommended ascendancy for a beginner or does Trickster's sustain and leech make it easier?


I recommend respec into whispering ice only after have jewels enought to do it... coz it will be little pain to get then.


?? I've always started using the staff between level 33-39. There's more than enough int from the passive tree to make it useful for the acts.
Hey guys! I've been waiting for the PoB update to see the exact consequences of the curse changes, etc. but they seem to be running very late this time. It's Wednesday and still no new PoB. Hmmm...

I'm very busy in December and my play time will be less than usual. Then again, there are no major balance changes that affect this build. Not much needs to be changed. That's great since I won't have time to spend on development.

Looks like the Occultist version got gutted. It already had mana issues, and now they made it even harder, plus the Malediction nerf? Oh well.

Stun avoidance got nerfed. Which doesn't affect the Ascendant in any way. Still gonna be the easy and beginner-friendly version. For the Trickster, it's going to be a test of how much stun avoidance we really need.

I'll just play the Trickster again. It's been by far the strongest overall version. Now there is new exclusive loot on the uber bosses. Explode flask on Uber Sirus, a big prize that should be worth quite a lot, and super useful for this build too. That boss was a pain on both Occultist and Ascendant because of the degen ground. But nothing special for Mr Trickster!

Brute Force and Fertile Mind are corruption-only jewels now. I don't actually know if this is going to make them more or less common. People used to just destroy or vendor most of the byproducts of jewel corruption. Plus all the jewel cards are going to give corrupted ones. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

For the curses I'd really like to see an updated PoB. It only matters for the uber bosses though. Everything else gets destroyed. Frostbite and EW -should- be a little stronger now, even in the Hextouch version. I don't like the idea of self-casting curses on the bosses since they are not instant.

There is also a new support that creates a cursed ground. It may be useful against some bosses, but we'll have to see how that works and what's the size of that ground.

Punishment may be an option instead of one of the elemental curses too. Just for some specific targets (e.g. Uber Sirus and Uber Maven).

The biggest overall issue I see is the state of crafting. In the last 2 leagues we've enjoyed some really OP crafting methods that are not available anymore. And Harvest got destroyed. So now it's back to how it was before 3.11, except that Exalts are dirt cheap. Still, crafting an endgame amulet or chest will be a whole lot harder than in the last 10 leagues. Now, instead of 2.7-2.8k Int you should realistically expect 2.5-2.6k Int with the same budget. The overall damage will be lower, the uber boss fights longer. And that's another reason to go with the Trickster - his survivability.

Harbingers should be super useful again. Spec into them and you'll have tons of annuls and the new fracture orbs. This will make crafting good gloves trivial. And some decent rings before you can afford synthesized ones.

Anything else I'm missing? I'll check for new PoB tomorrow and see if anything needs to be updated. But there shouldn't be any significant changes to either Trickster or the Ascendant (RIP Occultist; I won't have time to deal with all the nerfs there).
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I'll just play the Trickster again. It's been by far the strongest overall version
I'm planning on playing this for the upcoming league would you say trickster is that much more powerful or could someone get away with going Ascendant? I've never bothered playing an ascendant to endgame and have done various shadow ascendancies several times. If its not that massive a difference I'd probably like to try ascendant.

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