[3.8] ♥ HOLY BLEEDING, Gladiator Lacerate bleeds to death all end game, 9 milion dot

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khachavippoe escreveu:

How do you reserve enough mana? Herald of Purity 25%, Flesh and Stone 25%, Malevolence 50%, war banner 10%, so it should be 110%. Is enlighten lv 4 enough?
Btw may I ask if dual sword work with this build?

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sinity499 escreveu:

Hey nice build :P

I'm curious if you ever considered utilizing impale to boost your bleed damage even more?

Here's the logic;

With crimson dance, each instance of bleed applies 35% of the base damage of the hit that proc'd it. (total = 280% at max stack) Crimson Dance also removes the amplified effect if the enemy moves so there is no need to kite the boss around, best is simply to continue hitting the target.

Bleed mechanic also stipulate that only the biggest instance of bleed is applied at any one time (the 8 biggests with CD). Meaning we can only have 8 bleeds at a time on the target, but each time we hit and create a bleed instance that is bigger than what we have in our pool, we replace it (and refresh it's respective duration).

Then comes in impale. Impale stores 10% of the base damage of a hit and adds it to the next attacks, up to 5 times (7 with +2 impale stacks WE, not gonna talk about champion). Therefor, from the 6th/8th hit and on, we deal 50%/70% MORE damage, that's added to the base damage. That results in a bigger bleed instance created from those hit. Without considering +% impale effect which are multiplicative with the "more" damage modifier. I'll be considering impale WE for the rest.

To sum it up, you would reach 170% base damage from impale effect at your 8th hit, then each bleed you apply from there is calculated based on that boosted base value. 8 hits later, at hit 16th, you have 8 bleed instances running on your target for a total of 280% of that 170% of base damage. which is about 476%, not counting bleed/dot mods). Theorycally acheiving 1.7 times your actual dps of only idolizing base damage, which is essentially 280% of 100% base damage. bottom line; 9m x 1.7 = 15.3M bleed dps + actual hits (also boosted by impale)

Of course, speccing into impale would require some sacrifes so it would be lower but impale chance is so easy to get that I believe it would be worth it.

also, I did not take into consideration mods like +dmg against bleeding enemy because they roughly negate each other since they are in both versions. however they would be boosted by impale too, adding some damage to the mix.

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Wurst_Nightmare escreveu:

You should mention that this build (your gear) is roughly 200 Ex in Budget.

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Hitma47 escreveu:

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sinity499 escreveu:

Hey nice build :P

I'm curious if you ever considered utilizing impale to boost your bleed damage even more?

Here's the logic;

With crimson dance, each instance of bleed applies 35% of the base damage of the hit that proc'd it. (total = 280% at max stack) Crimson Dance also removes the amplified effect if the enemy moves so there is no need to kite the boss around, best is simply to continue hitting the target.

Bleed mechanic also stipulate that only the biggest instance of bleed is applied at any one time (the 8 biggests with CD). Meaning we can only have 8 bleeds at a time on the target, but each time we hit and create a bleed instance that is bigger than what we have in our pool, we replace it (and refresh it's respective duration).

Then comes in impale. Impale stores 10% of the base damage of a hit and adds it to the next attacks, up to 5 times (7 with +2 impale stacks WE, not gonna talk about champion). Therefor, from the 6th/8th hit and on, we deal 50%/70% MORE damage, that's added to the base damage. That results in a bigger bleed instance created from those hit. Without considering +% impale effect which are multiplicative with the "more" damage modifier. I'll be considering impale WE for the rest.

To sum it up, you would reach 170% base damage from impale effect at your 8th hit, then each bleed you apply from there is calculated based on that boosted base value. 8 hits later, at hit 16th, you have 8 bleed instances running on your target for a total of 280% of that 170% of base damage. which is about 476%, not counting bleed/dot mods). Theorycally acheiving 1.7 times your actual dps of only idolizing base damage, which is essentially 280% of 100% base damage. bottom line; 9m x 1.7 = 15.3M bleed dps + actual hits (also boosted by impale)

Of course, speccing into impale would require some sacrifes so it would be lower but impale chance is so easy to get that I believe it would be worth it.

also, I did not take into consideration mods like +dmg against bleeding enemy because they roughly negate each other since they are in both versions. however they would be boosted by impale too, adding some damage to the mix.

Hi, thanks for your consideration.
Your maths are ok, in theory impale improve damage so basically improve bleeding, true, but consider that all supports that i've linked in axe have secondary effect (more bleeding damage)..

By the way, as you can see in video, there are no bosses that can take more than 6-7 attack.. all die so fast.. there is no time to apply 8 impale and then attack 8 times again to apply 8 stack empowerd..

this thing could be considered in (maybe) delve vs high level bosses, but the defense of this build is just manual dodge and it's not good for deep delve.

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huyakf1997 escreveu:

Do we need the exact same number on timeless jewel or the number in a specific range is good ? My friend checked the 85080 but it doesnt give the right effect. Thx in advance.