Why Poe is becoming PAY TO WIN GAME - free discusion

If im to play standard i consider currency tab PTW no question about it.

In more day to day if you consider playing the game in their vision i consider map stas tab got relay high on PTW as number of maps and chasing elder is just unrepresented unless you have weary wiling friends and guild.

If crafting and selling is how you play game well then every stash tab is consider more then advantage no matter the convenience factor.

This new tabs soak so mach that people dont even realize how mach free space they got from them, i bet 1000h test squad never tested this...
Well for rest of conclusions i say we got plenty of garbage this last two years to add to problem.
I have plenty of experience off what i can do and how to do it, i just cant imagine new people ever pass lvl 60 and stay with 4 tabs, decision making processes is far more deeper then having couple of 70 characters and watching ZD.

This argument is the single worst piece of garbage posted in this forum. And there is a lot of garbage to compare it to, especially of late.

That is all.

No one has yet to define 'win'.

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Shagsbeard escreveu:

No one has yet to define 'win'.

Same as in any game. You pay real money and get an advantage, any advantage at all, over someone who didn't pay real money. In the case of WoW, pay $60 and get an instant almost max level character. Pretty easy concept. Luckily Path of Exile has none of this, or a lot of us probably wouldn't be here

For people who have only 4 stashs tabs, there is always the possibility to join a guild, just for the stash.
But, yes, that implies to have friends to play with.

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Shagsbeard escreveu:

No one has yet to define 'win'.

That special feeling you get when you spend stupid amounts of money on a free game to look "cool" and you feel better then everyone who isn't sparkly for five minutes. Then you realize you could only afford that because you have no time to play compared to the guy who just hit 80 10 hours into the league and you are in act 3 going to bed with the two hours you got to play that day.

Really though the only thing to win in this game is a race, and for most people that would be first 100, no amount of tabs will make you a better player or make you faster at killing especially when all the top pushers work on teams anyway.

It's not pay to win at all. Once you have a few tabs (which you could consider a support fee for the game if you like it), there is not at this time possibility to get more advantages than any other players with mtx. Getting a few tabs may help, but having 50+ won't make you top-10 player...

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Imaginaerum escreveu:

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Shagsbeard escreveu:

No one has yet to define 'win'.

Same as in any game. You pay real money and get an advantage, any advantage at all, over someone who didn't pay real money. In the case of WoW, pay $60 and get an instant almost max level character. Pretty easy concept. Luckily Path of Exile has none of this, or a lot of us probably wouldn't be here

From what I saw in the MMO I left, instant max level characters weren't really all that advantageous - it just meant plenty of people who never learned to play their character properly - on top of the people who leveled the old-fashioned way and still never learned to play.

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rhah escreveu:

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Imaginaerum escreveu:

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Shagsbeard escreveu:

No one has yet to define 'win'.

Same as in any game. You pay real money and get an advantage, any advantage at all, over someone who didn't pay real money. In the case of WoW, pay $60 and get an instant almost max level character. Pretty easy concept. Luckily Path of Exile has none of this, or a lot of us probably wouldn't be here

Extra tabs give you a clear advantage over people who don't have them.

I agree with trade tabs. Everyone should get at least one trade tab for free

I had zero issues playing since 2013 until a few months ago with the basic amount of tabs and only one premium tab, which I was given for free some way or another. I swear GGG gave everyone a free tab but maybe I'm imagining it and forgot I bought it, I don't know. How long has that one item sat in your 15th stash tab, never touched since you put it there? That sure is useful...

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rhah escreveu:

It doesn't matter if you can play the game without buying tabs. It doesn't change the fact that extra tabs give an in game advantage.

Except that "advantage" is exaggerated and comes with down sides.

Like having enough tabs that it is a pain in the arse to sort anything so you let it slide then spend ages looking through tabs for something you dumped in there in haste.

Or if you trade you'll get whispers for stuff that is for sale in other leagues that you forgot about even having...enough that you would make a bug report (which you can see happening)

It's a long stretch to call them pay to win, or even a convenience after a point.

And of course it matters if you can play the game without them, since the advantage is debatable at best and dose not directly harm your enjoyment of the game...it's not like GGG are doing what typical pay to win games do and limit your stash to 1 quarter(or less) before you NEED to fork out, it's not like you need to do it with each character.