Why Poe is becoming PAY TO WIN GAME - free discusion

This is the furthest thing i've seen from pay2win.
Game is absolutely playable with the stash tabs you are given and absolutely no gameplay is locked behind a pay wall.

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AncientRedDragon escreveu:

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starsg escreveu:

Pay-2-Win refers to :-

spending real $ that affects the grind (game boosting)
OR
spending real $ that help to boost damage/movement/invicibility etc.

Pay to win also refers to any type of gaining advantages over other players in exchange for paying the game makers real money, which POE unquestionably allows & encourages via all of their Stash upgrade microtransactions.

And anyway, that does affect the grind and boost the game too for those who bought them, since they can acquire good gear way faster & easier & in greater abundance than those who did not.

What about the people that play SSF and cleared the full game?

How do stash tabs make you acquire more gear way faster and easier? Do stash tabs raise drop chance and I missed the memo? last I checked killing stuff makes you acquire gear.

OH you will mention trading now. Well the game has trade channels. Yeah it's more tedious BUT people do use it. if you can't cough up a few bucks for a stash tab YOU can fully play the game and get gear there.

You have no understanding of the concept of P2W.

The worse you could call the game if you really stretch the concept a P2P. And most games are. So what's the problem? Go get a god dam job and earn some money first instead of wasting your life on forums crying for handouts.

i paid alot on this game but anbody ever see me winning something? narp, i don't.

all the 200+ premium tabs brought me is hellofamess in permanent league's stashes.

all those 200+ premium tabs brought me in temp leagues is permanently interrupted mapping.

all those special purpose tabs i bought brought me is me having to move those 20 tabs over 200 tabs at league start.

all those mtx i bought brought me is people outclassing me either with stuff from boxes that
they got cheaper or amazing stuff they got from league challenges or races (cause they never get devalued by being available for cheap).

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moot discussion.

See.... you guys got it all wrong....

It's not about the game being pay to win.

Its about the player being pay to win.

Any game can be pay to win. You can buy currency, boosts, piloting, content unlock and so on. (depending on the game, be it "legal in game" or "third party illegal")

If someone wants to pay to win, that's his/her decision. Regardless of the game policy being against such things.

People will pay to win to reach 100.
People will pay to win to get insane gear.
People will pay to win to get any sort of advantages they want.

I don't care if the game offers these things. I CARE ABOUT MY OWN PERSONAL INTEGRITY.

If all I cared about was playing a game where others can't somehow gain an advantage (be it an in-game legit pay to win, or shady illegal online dealer pay to win), I would be playing CS:GO and aiming for LAN Tournaments for example.

I play PoE for my own personal journey. There is no serious competition in PoE. What is the prize for the first person to hit 100? What is the prize for being the highest DPS character in the game? What is the prize for being the richest in-game player? NONE.

At the end of the day, everyone has the option to access the same content.

Quite simply no.

There is not a single thing that I can buy that will give me free levels, boost my character in any fashion, or allow me to skip content in any way. There is nothing I can buy that wins the game in place of me playing it.

"Is it P2W?" has been and always will be the wrong question (unless they start charging for some of the things mentioned above). The right question is this:

Is the game F2P?

I'll go with maybe because it's not a simple yes/no from my optic. There is nothing gated behind a paywall; you can play the entire game beginning to end without paying a single penny.

That being said, it's certainly not a clean "Yes" either. The game has added so many things that you have to collect/hold to play intelligently that the 4 stash tabs are probably enough for a minimalist but in practical terms simply too small. It's certainly more convenient if you buy tabs and not have to micromanage every slot in your stash.

P2W? No
F2P? Debatable
P2P? Getting closer and closer to it

This topic is so stupid....
The game cant be p2w if there is nothing to win! Its non competitive game. You can pay for convenience and nothing more. Thats what stash tabs give you, convenience. It doesnt limit your gameplay in any way. If this is p2w to you than you should quit gaming in general, its not for you. Even single player games have DLC's and by your standards they are also p2w. GGG gives away so many things for free but you want more and more. The greed and entitlement of this generation of players is ridiculous.

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AncientRedDragon escreveu:

This game is certainly pay to win. There is no need for the word "becoming" in the thread title. The thread title should read "POE is a Pay to Win Game."

People who buy additional stash tabs, premium stash tabs, currency stash tabs, map stash tabs, divination stash tabs, essence stash tabs, fragment stash tabs, etc. definitely have a massive advantage over others who do not buy anything. That point is so obvious that it cannot be reasonably debated.

People like this disgust me - they fail to understand why pay to win has the stigma it has. You can also tell they're young as they are oblivious to the fact that there was a very long period where one had to pay for a game before even trying it out.

Now people can have complete access to an entire game and still somehow manage to be so self-entitled that having to pay anything is atrocious. To these folks computer hardware, and more importantly bandwidth must magically appear out of nowhere.


But really there are very few games that do the F2P system well and it annoys me quite a bit when people misuse pay2win because they expect an entertainment business to magically sustain itself without money.

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kuciol escreveu:

The greed and entitlement of this generation of players is ridiculous.

This is feeling so true. The irony is my nephew has a friend that's probably dropped over a thousand into League and yet is also of this crazy younger gen - Tho his entitlement issues end up being with rank.

I can't even fathom spending that much on a single game unless it came with its own arcade cabinet.

But to be fair the only reason I'm posting is to avoid mindless mapping anyway.