[3.14] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, ✔️All Bosses Down, ✔️Necro, ✔️Elementalist

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Lumweishaupt escreveu:

"Primordial Harmony: Now grants your golems 30-45% increased cooldown recovery speed, to compensate for a bug that was fixed. Existing versions of this jewel can be updated with a Divine Orb."

from the patch notes. does this mean i should divine my jewels when the patch is out? this is a buff?

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Golem Skills have (20-30)% increased Cooldown Recovery Speed
Golems have (10-15)% increased Cooldown Recovery Speed
(16-20)% increased Golem Damage for each Type of Golem you have Summoned
Golems regenerate 2% of their Maximum Life per second

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mika2salo escreveu:

If Player gets the extra cooldown reduction, it will be nerf.

If Golems gets the extra cooldown reduction, it will be buff.

However it was posted earlier that only some setups had the bug. It's hard to say how many setups were ever affected it in the first place. If players get the cooldown reduction, it might still be that most of us wont even notice the "nerf" as we never had the bug in the first place.

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Anakhon escreveu:

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Lumweishaupt escreveu:

"Primordial Harmony: Now grants your golems 30-45% increased cooldown recovery speed, to compensate for a bug that was fixed. Existing versions of this jewel can be updated with a Divine Orb."

from the patch notes. does this mean i should divine my jewels when the patch is out? this is a buff?

tl;dr; it's neither a buff or a nerf, it's just a bug fix and adjusting the value to have it the correct place.

Originally, the bonus are these:

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Golem Skills have (20-30)% increased Cooldown Recovery Speed
Golems have (10-15)% increased Cooldown Recovery Speed
(16-20)% increased Golem Damage for each Type of Golem you have Summoned
Golems regenerate 2% of their Maximum Life per second

The second line is supposed to affect the golem, but the bug was that both first lines were stacking on the golem.
Now instead of this, we still have the first but only the second applies to the golems.

And it's stated "grants your golems X% increased recovery", not "grants your golem skills" (which clearly means "Summon XX Golem", not the "golem's skills" which would mean the skills of the golems).

@mika:
- what about swapping discipline to vaal discipline, since in 3.3 vaal will also have the non vaal version included ?
- same for vaal IC (i didn't understand in the patchnote if they made it undroppable actually... so maybe not add it if it's the case)

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It's neither a buff or a nerf in terms of actual gameplay with fresh 3.3 Harmony Jewels.

I believe all golem builds were affected by the bug, but GGG is downplaying it a bit by saying only "some". They're probably including non-golem builds that use golems only for the buff. Those builds, of course, would never notice it. In all the testing I did, the results showed a bugged firing rate every single time. Pretty sure Shiverwarp, the guy that discovered the bug, had the same results.

The bug gave golems extra cooldown. GGG is removing the bugged cooldown and making up for the loss by boosting legit cooldown to the same levels. End result: no nerf, no buff.

I think all golem players can breathe a sigh of relief. This could actually be considered an indirect buff, since it's much easier mathematically to hit 45% than it is to hit 30% and 15% consecutively (assuming evenly weighted odds for each percent). That means a relatively larger/cheaper supply of well-rolled Harmonies.

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mika2salo escreveu:

Hey :)

Gz on nice runs! You have good kiting in both videos and EHP looks healthy. There are however some things that could be improved :

Necro run :

Your necro setup is showing pretty low damage for Golems. 3x Harmonies are barely enough to let Golems 6 sec cooldown to reach the limit to let them cast new orbs once their charges are empty. It's also far too low to give Golems reliable regen. By changing from :
- 1x Anima 3x Harmonies = 74k per Golems
- 1x Anima 10x Harmonies = 96k per Golems, However its would be tons more as Golems can now cast as fast as they can and they would be almost immortal with over 20% HP regen per sec

Elementalist run :

Not sure how many Harmonies you were using as there is no Pastebin, but taking Elementalist means stacking as many Harmonies as possible. Golems are your main damage dealers and probably only minions that can survive without actively casting Concocation or using defensive items with Necro Aegis to minions safe.

For Specters to survive you might want to equip :
- Kaltenhalt shield with Necro Aegis (Both bosses deal heavy cold and fire damage)
- Bone Offering (Block helps minions a lot)

Both runs

In both runs I don't think you were using Primordial Might. This seriously nerfs Golems damage as they were following you more than shooting at boss. I very highly recommend using Might at all times.

You didn't seem to use Bone Offering at all, so minions were left with 0% chance to block and Golems were uncapped with ele res outside of you aura using Necromancer. This means that minions were tanking with raw life, which runs low fast with no AGs 6% HP regen or stacking Harmonies to keep Golems alive.

Using more Harmonies and Might will most likely fix DPS & Golems dying & Golems not staying on target problems.

Lightning warp will most likely be slower than Shield Charge as build has almost no cast speed. ES regen is will be much easier with using Occultist. However the gear requirement is very high to deal enough DPS with occultist and no minion damage from Ascendancy.

Sorry that list has so many things to improve. I just really liked your setup and wanted to give you as much advice for improvement as possible.

Overall nice videos and good job at clearing Uber Elder with both variants, boss fight is very hard one ;)

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mika2salo escreveu:

Btw, T14+ Elder spawn will be fixed so Uber Elder video should be coming soon :P

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kayella escreveu:

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mika2salo escreveu:

Hey :)

Gz on nice runs! You have good kiting in both videos and EHP looks healthy. There are however some things that could be improved :

Necro run :

Your necro setup is showing pretty low damage for Golems. 3x Harmonies are barely enough to let Golems 6 sec cooldown to reach the limit to let them cast new orbs once their charges are empty. It's also far too low to give Golems reliable regen. By changing from :
- 1x Anima 3x Harmonies = 74k per Golems
- 1x Anima 10x Harmonies = 96k per Golems, However its would be tons more as Golems can now cast as fast as they can and they would be almost immortal with over 20% HP regen per sec

Elementalist run :

Not sure how many Harmonies you were using as there is no Pastebin, but taking Elementalist means stacking as many Harmonies as possible. Golems are your main damage dealers and probably only minions that can survive without actively casting Concocation or using defensive items with Necro Aegis to minions safe.

For Specters to survive you might want to equip :
- Kaltenhalt shield with Necro Aegis (Both bosses deal heavy cold and fire damage)
- Bone Offering (Block helps minions a lot)

Both runs

In both runs I don't think you were using Primordial Might. This seriously nerfs Golems damage as they were following you more than shooting at boss. I very highly recommend using Might at all times.

You didn't seem to use Bone Offering at all, so minions were left with 0% chance to block and Golems were uncapped with ele res outside of you aura using Necromancer. This means that minions were tanking with raw life, which runs low fast with no AGs 6% HP regen or stacking Harmonies to keep Golems alive.

Using more Harmonies and Might will most likely fix DPS & Golems dying & Golems not staying on target problems.

Lightning warp will most likely be slower than Shield Charge as build has almost no cast speed. ES regen is will be much easier with using Occultist. However the gear requirement is very high to deal enough DPS with occultist and no minion damage from Ascendancy.

Sorry that list has so many things to improve. I just really liked your setup and wanted to give you as much advice for improvement as possible.

Overall nice videos and good job at clearing Uber Elder with both variants, boss fight is very hard one ;)

Thanks for the feedback.

I recorded these runs in the weekend before league ended and had some problems buying more harmonies; I only had 5. In the next league, I'll aim to slot around 10. I think with enough regen, bone offering isn't needed, and instead we can use flesh offering for 29% cast speed.

Do you think going 4 fire + 1 stone and using The Scourge + whirling blade would be as effective as 4+1+1 and Clayshaper + shield charge?

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mika2salo escreveu:

Btw, T14+ Elder spawn will be fixed so Uber Elder video should be coming soon :P

Enjoy the fight! It's the only really challenging thing left in the game. Let me know what you think of shield charge after using in Uber fight ;)

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duabijitelur escreveu:

suitable to use start at new league(incursion)?

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duabijitelur escreveu:

suitable to use start at new league(incursion)?

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start with spectres as main dps, switch to golem later

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duabijitelur escreveu:

suitable to use start at new league(incursion)?