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Moosifer escreveu:

Ok, seems this has been posted to reddit and people just aren't understand my points. Rather than posting here and having me comment they are over there thinking I don't know what reddit is. I just did a long post explaining the mana different between clarity + gear and clarity + leech (also why totems are so popular with mana the way it is)

For some context here's the post I'm replying to:

trendwitlasers

Dual spork: CI isn't allowed to use blood magic and totems can't mana leech, but you have twice as much usuable mana without clarity. The wander: I can just drop clarity and have twice as much usuable mana pool, coupled with surgeon's flasks you never run out of mana. It's the same with my EK character, but in that case mana leech is a simpler solution without crits.

Anybody that takes races seriously just gets used to playing the game with mana flasks. Moosifier doesn't and is apparently in the same boat with a lot of the population where they simply don't bother with managing resources.

Here's my reply:

You are using totems as a way to bypass mana issues. You aren't spamming totems. I just set up my guy with spark w/o totems on a 5l. Without any FC it's costing 75 mana/cast @ 2.31 aps so 173.25 mana a sec. I could easily get that to 3-4 aps so 225-300 mana a sec.

With a totem it's 143 mana a cast. Assuming your totem isn't lvl 1 and you are casting it alot, safe to say it's up for 10-30 seconds before recasting. You need 286 mana to cast 2, then you need to regen 9.5 to 28.6 mana a sec. To have that regen w/o clarity or any regen from gear you'd need a mana pool of 1,630 total mana. This isn't very hard to do, also clarity can just about cover it by itself. With that mana pool though you can run a bunch of auras as you don't need to cast more than 2 totems at one time which requires 17% of that mana pool. Stack auras for minions, for your EHP, do whatever.

For me to support spark without totem, let's do it at my cast rate which is VERY low for a sparker w/o totem, which is 173 mana/sec. I'd need a mana pool of 9,861 to support spark without clarity/regen gear/leech. Hell, I'd need 8.8k mana with clarity. Ok then let's be a little real about this. How about 50% regen on both rings, ammy, shield and wand for a total of 250% regen and clarity (I have a lvl 17 clarity for 17.3 regen so I'm using that in my math). So with 5 slots with near perfect regen and clarity I'd still needs 3,913 total mana to support spamming spark.

How about leech then, just the gem for the 4% leech (I have a lvl 15 spark and fully supported is doing 13-250 lightning damage). So each spark would give about 5 mana return, but there's 3, so 15, but there's fork so 45 but there's shock stacks 104, then crit can bring that upwards of 10x limited only by your mana pool. Let's be friendly, I'll stay at 45 mana being regened and let's keep that 250% regen. That same build above that needs 4k mana, with the addition of mana leech only needs 1086 max mana to support the skill. Also can easily get away with even less when you consider how lightning damage scales with shock and how most builds of this sort will easily have crit.

Clarity + leech and no mana regen will pretty much cover your cost completely. Clarity plus regen gear doesn't even come close. Go get 4k mana without EB, I'd love to see that happen.
Do you guys get it? 1 gem does more than 5 pieces of gear and a bunch of regen nodes (as if you got them all you'd still need 2-3k mana). I'm arguing for additional options for regening mana, not the elimination of what works, I just want MORE things to work so we aren't limited to what we can do.

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SL4Y3R escreveu:

Pretty much.

Mana Leech is an automatic for damn near every build I do. Not the biggest fan of EB. Doesn't seem necessary to me at least.

Running Haste, Clarity, Wrath, Anger, Hatred just fine without it. Not too sure what else I would personally need. Might even be able to squeeze a purity on there if I switch Wrath to HP.

But yeah, mana leech in my builds is required. Trying to find the required mana regen from gear and in the tree is a pointless endeavor.

Sorrk Zak

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deteego escreveu:

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SL4Y3R escreveu:

Pretty much.

Mana Leech is an automatic for damn near every build I do. Not the biggest fan of EB. Doesn't seem necessary to me at least.

Running Haste, Clarity, Wrath, Anger, Hatred just fine without it. Not too sure what else I would personally need. Might even be able to squeeze a purity on there if I switch Wrath to HP.

But yeah, mana leech in my builds is required. Trying to find the required mana regen from gear and in the tree is a pointless endeavor.

Sorrk Zak

You need to have EB if you want to run many % based auras

Im a summoner, I need EB because I am running 5 auras (purity, grace, hatred, wrath, discipline)

With EB, I am very close to adding determination ontop of that. That is 3 40% auras that I am supporting

You are only using one % based aura (hatred), hence why you dont need EB

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AintCare escreveu:

OP great post, I agree with all

PS: if Charans suggestions go through I will probably quit the game... keystones will be completely worthless and everyone will just take nodes..

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SL4Y3R escreveu:

Haste.

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Charan escreveu:

Never have I so deeply hoped that one of my suggestions go through.

...Of course, purely because I think keystones still require some rebalancing.

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Moo, congrats for your words reaching reddit and it not generating an instant torrent of hatred and mockery. Yay for you, good sir.