Razor of the Seventh Sun | Offhand Q

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Natharias escreveu:

If that is added to the game as is, the 1% life recover alone will be broken as fuck. Combine that with Taming and Emberwake and you win the game.

All you'd need to really break the game is some kind of ignite penetration similar to hexproof penetration via Cospri's Will.

Well, that 1% life recovery doesnt seem that broken, you can already do the same with leech or in the right scenario with life gain on hit.

atziri is immune to ignite guys.

take out atziri out of equasion; like Goldarm said, it's gonna be inferior to LL even assuming dual wield with emberwake. if base crit chance would be higher you could reliably ignite on every single strike, but it's gonna be too much of an investment with 5%.

got excited at first because yeah, emberwake, but now I'm towards "meh"

it's gonna see some use though as main hand in some rf builds that can ignite enemies reliably. (rf is burn degen, not ignite in itself)

/edit: yeah reddit seems to agree about the leech part.

/that steel ring base though... fb is back.

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Goldarm5 escreveu:

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Natharias escreveu:

If that is added to the game as is, the 1% life recover alone will be broken as fuck. Combine that with Taming and Emberwake and you win the game.

All you'd need to really break the game is some kind of ignite penetration similar to hexproof penetration via Cospri's Will.

Well, that 1% life recovery doesnt seem that broken, you can already do the same with leech or in the right scenario with life gain on hit.

Except the wording means it is instant. Regardless of that, it is percentage based and based on your life, not damage. While this means it might be less, it becomes more and more important the less damage you deal. Link a Firestorm with Increased Duration and Chance to Ignite, and you can get like 10% life from just one enemy. Imagine if that procs from CWDT during a strongbox.

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Razis escreveu:

atziri is immune to ignite guys.

take out atziri out of equasion; like Goldarm said, it's gonna be inferior to LL even assuming dual wield with emberwake. if base crit chance would be higher you could reliably ignite on every single strike, but it's gonna be too much of an investment with 5%.

got excited at first because yeah, emberwake, but now I'm towards "meh"

it's gonna see some use though as main hand in some rf builds that can ignite enemies reliably. (rf is burn degen, not ignite in itself)

/edit: yeah reddit seems to agree about the leech part.

/that steel ring base though... fb is back.

Again about the reading; reading helps:

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Natharias escreveu:

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All you'd need to really break the game is some kind of ignite penetration similar to hexproof penetration via Cospri's Will.

Literally my second post.

Yeah, Im not saying its bad, it can be good in the right build/scenario. But calling it

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broken as fuck

is a bit exaggerated.

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Natharias escreveu:

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Razis escreveu:

atziri is immune to ignite guys.

take out atziri out of equasion; like Goldarm said, it's gonna be inferior to LL even assuming dual wield with emberwake. if base crit chance would be higher you could reliably ignite on every single strike, but it's gonna be too much of an investment with 5%.

got excited at first because yeah, emberwake, but now I'm towards "meh"

it's gonna see some use though as main hand in some rf builds that can ignite enemies reliably. (rf is burn degen, not ignite in itself)

/edit: yeah reddit seems to agree about the leech part.

Again about the reading; reading helps:

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Natharias escreveu:

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All you'd need to really break the game is some kind of ignite penetration similar to hexproof penetration via Cospri's Will.

Literally my second post.

wow. Natharias at it yet again. I wasn't even talking to you, lol. Seriously, when will you learn?

Nope, reading what you wrote doesn't help at all because yet agian it's imaginary scenarios which have no place in a thread about actual game mechanics.

There is no ignite immunity penetration in the game atm. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I don't think I am. You can't overcome "immune to ignite".

About the LL vs ignite on hit regen - yes we're all aware it's instant. And yeah it's ok-ish I guess, but our point here is that it's nowhere near as powerful as what you get with vaal pact with correct spec, even assuming dual wielding two of those with emberwake. Problem is when fighting single taregt (when it's most usefull to have) you're not gonna have as good of a use of it as you would with LL VP.

bye

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Razis escreveu:

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Natharias escreveu:

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Razis escreveu:

atziri is immune to ignite guys.

take out atziri out of equasion; like Goldarm said, it's gonna be inferior to LL even assuming dual wield with emberwake. if base crit chance would be higher you could reliably ignite on every single strike, but it's gonna be too much of an investment with 5%.

got excited at first because yeah, emberwake, but now I'm towards "meh"

it's gonna see some use though as main hand in some rf builds that can ignite enemies reliably. (rf is burn degen, not ignite in itself)

/edit: yeah reddit seems to agree about the leech part.

Again about the reading; reading helps:

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Natharias escreveu:

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All you'd need to really break the game is some kind of ignite penetration similar to hexproof penetration via Cospri's Will.

Literally my second post.

wow. Natharias at it yet again. I wasn't even talking to you, lol. Seriously, when will you learn?

Nope, reading what you wrote doesn't help at all because yet agian it's imaginary scenarios which have no place in a thread about actual game mechanics.

There is no ignite immunity penetration in the game atm. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I don't think I am. You can't overcome "immune to ignite".

About the LL vs ignite on hit regen - yes we're all aware it's instant. And yeah it's ok-ish I guess, but our point here is that it's nowhere near as powerful as what you get with vaal pact with correct spec, even assuming dual wielding two of those with emberwake. Problem is when fighting single taregt (when it's most usefull to have) you're not gonna have as good of a use of it as you would with LL VP.

bye

How about thinking?

If we have no way to ignite enemies who are immune to it, what could I possibly be talking about? Especially after mentioning Cospri's Will?

A little reading and thinking goes a long way.

lol. ok. ignoring the troll - always the same **** with him, comes up with imaginary stories that have nothing to do with the topic and then when people call him on his bs, he insults them. 0 awareness. Pathetic.

Back to the Razor though, it's basically the same thing as with recently revealed "katana" "balance" "go SOME crit" 2h sword. Can't remember the name.

Been trying to build with it for a couple hours now, tried all sorts of whacky stuff like three dragons, avatar of fire, herald, even looked at the spells like ft, incinerate or firestorm (which is clearly stupid on a sword like this) nothing seems to really work in a way that I could personally accept it as a truly effective synergy across the board. (which is what I'm personally looking for when building.)

Boils down to:

1/ rf and emberwake are mutually exclusive because of the burn reduction.

2/ too little base crit on the sword to rely on crit

3/ the big "melee" increase is "melee" so stuff like molten strike, fb, ls just won't synergize with proj part of the respective skill.

4/ recovery on the ignite is nice but worse than you can get with leech.

bottom line is, that regen or leech is what you use to tank through big hits from uniques. There is no way to do that as effective as LL can be when going against a single target, and when you just plow through mobs you don't really need that recovery, unless it's a reflect map/pack.

on top of that it's plain not-viable against atziri.

Sure it's gonna see some use, but it's not a "holy **** OPieOP" item. Given that it's clearly meant as endgame, I don't think people will use it that much. There are just better and way more effective options for any build, afaik.
Maybe someone will make some cool build with it just for the kicks, but it's seems like it's just not an item for a truly competitive chars.

Anyone figured out something that might work actually well? And, you know, is not something imaginary "we have corpsis will so there might be ignite penetration in the next league as well"?


/edit: taming is out of the equasion for me because seriously, who builds with taming for league play.

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Razis escreveu:

lol. ok. ignoring the troll - always the same **** with him, comes up with imaginary stories that have nothing to do with the topic and then when people call him on his bs, he insults them. 0 awareness. Pathetic.

"0 awareness"? Hmm:

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Razis escreveu:

Back to the Razor though, it's basically the same thing as with recently revealed "katana" "balance" "go SOME crit" 2h sword. Can't remember the name.

Just because you say something doesn't make it true. You're talking about Kondo's Pride.

I'm neither a troll or unaware. You are.

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Natharias escreveu:

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Razis escreveu:

lol. ok. ignoring the troll - always the same **** with him, comes up with imaginary stories that have nothing to do with the topic and then when people call him on his bs, he insults them. 0 awareness. Pathetic.

"0 awareness"? Hmm:

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Razis escreveu:

Back to the Razor though, it's basically the same thing as with recently revealed "katana" "balance" "go SOME crit" 2h sword. Can't remember the name.

Just because you say something doesn't make it true. You're talking about Kondo's Pride.

I'm neither a troll or unaware. You are.

lol yeah beacuse the name itself is relevant in any way here. I was talking about your situational and self awarness. nm

/edit: if you were so superior as you obviously think you are, you would know that it's fine to make it goofy sometimes. Trully bright people don't care if they do something silly because they know their true worth. The fact that you even would fixate on something like that proves that you deep inside you feel inferior and don't really buy into that facade you're weaving around yourself. And no-one really does either.

Think about it bro, seriously, been watching you around and you're obviously disturbed.

take care