Razor of the Seventh Sun | Offhand Q

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Vipermagi escreveu:

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Natharias escreveu:

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Razis escreveu:

Back to the Razor though, it's basically the same thing as with recently revealed "katana" "balance" "go SOME crit" 2h sword. Can't remember the name.

Just because you say something doesn't make it true. You're talking about Kondo's Pride.

Pretty sure he's talking about Hiltless (recently added, a reference to the Demons' Souls katana 'Hiltless'), not Kongor's Undying Rage (a very old mace not named 'Pride').

Read up Vipermagi. Kondo's Pride.

Hiltless' main thing is CWDT, not crit. Though it can go crit, and it isn't about "some" crit.

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Vipermagi escreveu:

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Natharias escreveu:

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Razis escreveu:

Back to the Razor though, it's basically the same thing as with recently revealed "katana" "balance" "go SOME crit" 2h sword. Can't remember the name.

Just because you say something doesn't make it true. You're talking about Kondo's Pride.

Pretty sure he's talking about Hiltless (recently added, a reference to the Demons' Souls katana 'Hiltless'), not Kongor's Undying Rage (a very old mace not named 'Pride').

nah bro I was actually talking about Kondo's Pride - "THE half-***ed crit sword" it's cool though, I'm sure there are many examples of weapons that are... yeah... like that when it comes to building around them. Doesn't really matter here.

/lol that guy just told you to read up. Now I'm really laughing.

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Razis escreveu:

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Vipermagi escreveu:

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Natharias escreveu:

Just because you say something doesn't make it true. You're talking about Kondo's Pride.

Pretty sure he's talking about Hiltless (recently added, a reference to the Demons' Souls katana 'Hiltless'), not Kongor's Undying Rage (a very old mace not named 'Pride').

nah bro I was actually talking about Kondo's Pride - "THE half-***ed crit sword" it's cool though, I'm sure there are many examples of weapons that are... yeah... like that when it comes to building around them. Doesn't really matter here.

/lol that guy just told you to read up. Now I'm really laughing.

It's sad really. Vipermagi is the most knowledgeable person on these forums.

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Vipermagi escreveu:

...Hahaha.
Right.
I must've immediately phased that sword out of my memory. Welp.

You can't be perfect Vipermagi. Everyone messes up at some point. It's just painful when you're level 99 at 99% experience and die to something just because you mishandle your character. That's really painful.

Hopefully I don't do that though. But that's a long, long ways away.

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Razis escreveu:

nah bro I was actually talking about Kondo's Pride - "THE half-***ed crit sword" it's cool though, I'm sure there are many examples of weapons that are... yeah... like that when it comes to building around them. Doesn't really matter here.

I like the unique, it will probably become good the moment we aren't able to cap crit so easily anymore. Because it doesn't have a good enough dps or other perks to cover for losing a third* of it by intentionally leaving crit around 50%. Maybe if it had a chance to grant frenzies on crit and became the next step after Terminus Est, you wouldn't need that ability to kick in on every single hit.

* An estimate, it is assumed you'd invest in other dps sources and cover for some of the loss.

I think they could go a bit over the top with weapons like these, you can't crit and not crit at the same time so it's hard to exploit. Dunno why we don't have more attack/cast speed nodes in templar and shadow areas either, very few builds use both.

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raics escreveu:

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Razis escreveu:

nah bro I was actually talking about Kondo's Pride - "THE half-***ed crit sword" it's cool though, I'm sure there are many examples of weapons that are... yeah... like that when it comes to building around them. Doesn't really matter here.

I like the unique, it will probably become good the moment we aren't able to cap crit so easily anymore. Because it doesn't have a good enough dps or other perks to cover for losing a third* of it by intentionally leaving crit around 50%. Maybe if it had a chance to grant frenzies on crit and became the next step after Terminus Est, you wouldn't need that ability to kick in on every single hit.

* An estimate, it is assumed you'd invest in other dps sources and cover for some of the loss.

I think they could go a bit over the top with weapons like these, you can't crit and not crit at the same time so it's hard to exploit. Dunno why we don't have more attack/cast speed nodes in templar and shadow areas either, very few builds use both.

yeah that's exactly what I meant, I wanna squeeze 100% out of it when building. I wanna exploit it all, and it seems like you just can't do that with this Razor as well.

Maybe it just needs more of a "hacker" mentality here so you take one part of it and just focus on this to crack the system - but like you said, it would require GGG to go a bit over the top with those items, otherwise it's just not worth it.

And what happen with high cast speed incinerate 100% chance to burn ?

with 200% cast speed (with proper build maybe 250-280% can be reached), incinerate cast time is 1/0.20 = 5x3= 15, so with a single razor, you gain 15% of you hp max per second, 30% if dual wielded, if the trickster passive (increase recovery life) work with that you could go up to 30*1.6= 48% of hp max per sec per target.

too bad spell echo don't work with incinerate anymore

with ball ligthing

1/0.8 = 1.25x(3x1.7) = 6.3 cast per second and one ignite every 200ms, with slower projectile one ball can atleat hit 2 - 3 time, that mean 12/18% life gain per sec, per target, per razor

i think it could also work with a fast weapon (2 aps > 4 with DS > 12 with multistrike ) and with the razor southpaw.

with 20 APS that would be 20% max life pers sec (32% with trickster)

and consider when you are surrounded just pop some low level CWDT + with fire skill and chance to ignite.

not sure if all my maths are good, but there is definitively room to try weird build

Could imagine some cool niche stuff with it.

But as things stand this is yet an other offhand statstick as OP mentioned.

Maybe and elemental groundslam inquisitor, phys to lightning, call of the brotherhood, cold to fire, avatar of fire.

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snakesolidx escreveu:

i think it could also work with a fast weapon (2 aps > 4 with DS > 12 with multistrike ) and with the razor southpaw.

Which skill are you suggesting that doesn't use swords but procs quickly?

I would definitely like to see this thing reach its potential, but this may be unrealistic to use as a southpaw.