[3.14] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, ✔️All Bosses Down, ✔️Necro, ✔️Elementalist

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Godiak escreveu:

Hey, I'm playing the Ele version of this build and I don't really get why we would use Spectres over "The Primordial Chain" amulet.

I'm currently running a 6L TV setup and they barely do any damage. Map clear is fine by now with just golems, currently at tier 7, but bosses take too much time IMHO. Can you have a look at my char and tell me what's wrong?

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Godiak/characters?characterName=godiak_fg

Hello :)

I thought I had replaced all instances of Elementalist with Golem only -Pledge of Hands variant already? Sorry if old data was still somewhere, where did you find it?

Tukohamas with Elementalist are not very effective especially after changes in 3.8.0. Golems only can reach much higher DPS and add better support attributes than what TV Specs can.

Here's the current PoB for Elementalist :

https://pastebin.com/RZgFTFaW

For the char, upgrades that you can do :
- Replacing amulet with Primordial Chain for more Golems
- Replacing helmet with Vertex or 100+ ES rare one
- Replacing rings with 40+ ES / 40+ HP rare one
- Replacing boots with 100+ ES rare boots, optimally "Deaths's Doors" for bleed immunity
- Replacing belt with 110+ ES crystal belt
- Replacing gloves with 150+ ES rare one

Some of the upgrades can be more expensive than others, but if you trade carefully you should find everything for less than 10-20 c piece.

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I created Google table CALCULATION: MAX DPS FLAME GOLEMS

Now it have only 1 table for Pledge of hands.

Fill in one field - you get all the information on the damage and the ratio of the types of golems. How do you like the idea? Should I add other conditions and which ones?

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hey, whats calculated in line 3?

i made also some calculations yesterday and there seems to be no (payable) way to beat the dmg of pledge of hands with bodyarmor.
synthesis bow could beat it, but its standard anyway.
so the loss of def is the problem with pledge, but you can use any nice crafted armor to compensate this (example mom, eb, vaal regalia with life..).
dont know how important block is. can you block uelder attacks?
+ you get another 6link. we could socket essence drain for single target since we get 160% spell dmg from the staff, 200% from 10 golems, ~120% from the flame golems due to the ~600% buff to flame golems.
thats 480% increased spell damage without using any extra node.
(we cant play spectres tho)
and we proc EE with added spell dmg types.
i need a lot more ex to test it :D

one question mika: you said victarios gives about 50% more dmg. how is this calculated? the 3 frenzy charges? + the castspeed (which is only good with a lot cdr) or do the power charges and the crit also add a significant amount of dmg?

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line 3 - max dps = 1,52 (coef pledge+echo) * 5 (projectyle) * total flame golems * dps 1 projectyle 1 flame golem

Hey :)

I really like the idea about the calculator! It's already helpful, but could use some improvements as it easily opens just for players who already have experience with Pledge of Hands :

- Title -> "Maximum total damage calculator for Flame Golems when using Pledge of Hands and Elmentalist" => Indicates what the modifiers are for the sheet

- Total DPS -> Damage per Single Flame Golem when using Pledge of Hands and Spell Echo => Indicates what the modifiers are

- Projectile count -> 5 for every combination to make it more clear that it's not special for the first one => Indicates that "Projectiles" are same for each set

- "Total DPS" could be after "Total type Golems" => Indicates that amount of Golems affects single Golems damage.

- Maybe add "Total number or Golems" to make it easier to disctinguish how many Golems are out in total

Overall I like the sheet quite a lot. Thanks for creating it! ^^

Can I add it into the build once it's in final form?

Blocking depends 100% on your playstyle. If you are very good at kiting or don't care about some deaths, then it's not really needed. However if you want to keep deaths to minimum or are not familiar with boss attacks, it can be very powerful.

For Uber Elder I guess you can block the tentacles rather consistently as they are (maybe?) physical attack and you can have 70%+ block chance against attacks. I guess the siphon can't really be blocked as it's area spell rather than attack. I blocked 3x Shaper slams consecutively when I was testing first Shaper fight after 3.8.0 patch, so it feels really strong if you don't have unlucky streak and kite enough.

Charity adds about 1.5x multiplier once all charges are out. Power charges add quite a lot of DPS with frenzy charges as they affect monsters different from players.

The multiplier is more important for map clearing as keeping power charges up in boss fight can be impossible.

Ad yes, testing Golems can be extremely expensive. You will end up as broke as me if you sink all of you currency into them ;)

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UPDATE

Updated first part of the guide today. Cleaned stuff, changed image provider for image links, updated some parts, etc. I plan to clean second part tomorrow or day after. If you spot any errors, please PM me or notify me in thread.

I also would like your opinion. I could :

1) Add newer, optimal links to all leveling minions for leveling part of the guide. All gems can't be bought from vendor until act 3 library, so getting some gems requires trading with other player.

2) Add newer, non-optimal links to all leveling minions for leveling part of the guide. This means that I would only add supports that you can get as reward while leveling the witch. Then add optimal links after act 3 library, when you can buy all missing gems and replace the non-optimal ones.

Which do you think would be easier for players?

Golemancer guild is now recruiting, 10/130 slots free

maybe stupid question, how can you make AG lvl 25? all I can see is 24, 21 from gem, +3 from ring, 1 lvl missing

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mika2salo escreveu:

I really like the idea about the calculator! It's already helpful, but could use some improvements as it easily opens just for players who already have experience with Pledge of Hands :

- Title -> "Maximum total damage calculator for Flame Golems when using Pledge of Hands and Elmentalist" => Indicates what the modifiers are for the sheet

- Total DPS -> Damage per Single Flame Golem when using Pledge of Hands and Spell Echo => Indicates what the modifiers are

- Projectile count -> 5 for every combination to make it more clear that it's not special for the first one => Indicates that "Projectiles" are same for each set

- "Total DPS" could be after "Total type Golems" => Indicates that amount of Golems affects single Golems damage.

- Maybe add "Total number or Golems" to make it easier to disctinguish how many Golems are out in total

Overall I like the sheet quite a lot. Thanks for creating it! ^^

Can I add it into the build once it's in final form?

hello! thx)) yes, ofc, u can!

I plan to add calculations for stone crushers, etc., so I changed the name to "CALCULATION: Maximum Total Damage for Magma Balls Flame Golems (Elementalist only)"

=> Total DPS changed for DPS of Single FG

"Total number or Golems", i think, what no, with pledge - max 9, and some people can used 2 lightning golems (geniuses, but can actually be)



NEW VERSION

open for all some fields
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i killed Uber Elder with 0 death yesterday in my trash items, so EZ)) just run))

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Utuchegal escreveu:

maybe stupid question, how can you make AG lvl 25? all I can see is 24, 21 from gem, +3 from ring, 1 lvl missing

can get it from:

1)Unset Ring:
+3 to Level of socketed gems

2)"Unnatural Strengh" last or 2nd ascendancy, gives you +2 levels

I saw in your Passive that you still have "Commander of Darkness"...

From last leveling Steps:
Run fourth labyrinth, take "Bone Barrier" to get additional resistances and defenses against physical damage
Drop "Commander of Darkness" ascendancy and get "Unnatural Strength" for extra minion levels
Drop "Grave Intentions" as Zombies are no longer used
Take "Golem Commander" for extra Golem
Re-spec big "Strength" and "Dexterity" nodes out if gear allows it
Take "Fearsome Force" to add area or effect for "Flame Golems" "Marga Orbs" so that they can overlap when exploding and deal shotgun damage to same enemy
Take rest of Jewel sockets
Take "Redemption" for minion damage / minion movement speed

Any recommendations for Oil bonuses?

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Staraway escreveu:

Take "Fearsome Force" to add area or effect for "Flame Golems" "Marga Orbs" so that they can overlap when exploding

Is there any documentation regarding the interaction between the Flame Golems' Magma Balls and multiple projectile support, specifically as to the projectiles' spread angle and their default explosion radius and indeed the effect of AoE scaling.

I thought the explosions were overlapping all along, why nobody ever bothered linking IAOES. So why now spend a bunch of passives to get just that effect?

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Fukurokage escreveu:

Any recommendations for Oil bonuses?

from 1st page Guide:

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tomay escreveu:

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Staraway escreveu:

Take "Fearsome Force" to add area or effect for "Flame Golems" "Marga Orbs" so that they can overlap when exploding

Is there any documentation regarding the interaction between the Flame Golems' Magma Balls and multiple projectile support, specifically as to the projectiles' spread angle and their default explosion radius and indeed the effect of AoE scaling.

I thought the explosions were overlapping all along, why nobody ever bothered linking IAOES. So why now spend a bunch of passives to get just that effect?

I actually don't know that, if only can just linking IAOES and save some
points to put in other useful passive, I agree with that.
Just wait Mika to answer this, i'm quite new here, just follow the build guide like a parrot and trying to help a bit who need fast answer.

Hi

I sent an message to the thread originators. If any guild officer is online sooner, please invite me to this guild, I would love to play with other golemancers.

Thanks

a 3B 2R 1G Skin of the loyal appears to be very expensive. Both 2B 2R 2G and 2B 3R 1G are much cheaper.

I was thinking of purchasing one the cheaper ones until I have the currency to get the ideal one.

What would the ideal flame golem sockets be for either configuration? Taking out combustion for either fire penetration or slower projectiles?

I'm currently running the necromancer defensive version.

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Utuchegal escreveu:

maybe stupid question, how can you make AG lvl 25? all I can see is 24, 21 from gem, +3 from ring, 1 lvl missing

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can get it from:

1)Unset Ring:
+3 to Level of socketed gems

2)"Unnatural Strengh" last or 2nd ascendancy, gives you +2 levels

I saw in your Passive that you still have "Commander of Darkness"...

From last leveling Steps:
Run fourth labyrinth, take "Bone Barrier" to get additional resistances and defenses against physical damage
Drop "Commander of Darkness" ascendancy and get "Unnatural Strength" for extra minion levels
Drop "Grave Intentions" as Zombies are no longer used
Take "Golem Commander" for extra Golem
Re-spec big "Strength" and "Dexterity" nodes out if gear allows it
Take "Fearsome Force" to add area or effect for "Flame Golems" "Marga Orbs" so that they can overlap when exploding and deal shotgun damage to same enemy
Take rest of Jewel sockets
Take "Redemption" for minion damage / minion movement speed

Hello :)

Actually I guess it's level 26 now, as we use Unnatural Strength.

21/20 gem = level 21
+3 from the ring = level 24
+2 Unnatural Strength = level 26

Commander of Darkness is still pretty useful when level as it gives lot of elemental resistances. After taking Bone Barrier, the elemental resistances however become overcapped so it's more beneficial to drop it at this point and take Unnatural Strength with Bone Barrier.

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hello! thx)) yes, ofc, u can!

I plan to add calculations for stone crushers, etc., so I changed the name to "CALCULATION: Maximum Total Damage for Magma Balls Flame Golems (Elementalist only)"

=> Total DPS changed for DPS of Single FG

"Total number or Golems", i think, what no, with pledge - max 9, and some people can used 2 lightning golems (geniuses, but can actually be)

NEW VERSION

open for all some fields
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i killed Uber Elder with 0 death yesterday in my trash items, so EZ)) just run))

Hey :)

Thanks for updating the document! I will try to add it in Faq section of the guide for players who are interested in optimizing their Pledge of Hands DPS by mixing Golems.

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Any recommendations for Oil bonuses?

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from 1st page Guide:

Hi :)

Yep, best one are :
- Golem Commander
- Gravepact
- Ravenous Horde

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Is there any documentation regarding the interaction between the Flame Golems' Magma Balls and multiple projectile support, specifically as to the projectiles' spread angle and their default explosion radius and indeed the effect of AoE scaling.

I thought the explosions were overlapping all along, why nobody ever bothered linking IAOES. So why now spend a bunch of passives to get just that effect?

"

I actually don't know that, if only can just linking IAOES and save some
points to put in other useful passive, I agree with that.
Just wait Mika to answer this, i'm quite new here, just follow the build guide like a parrot and trying to help a bit who need fast answer.

Hey :)

The explosions should be overlapping as they have indepentend explosions when they hit the ground, like Fireball explosions can overlap with GMP.

By shooting far or small target, the Orbs can become more distant from each other and all projectiles may not overlap. Increasing the exlosions size helps more projectiles to overlap with each other.

There is very little info about Flame Golems orbs + GMP. I was not even 100% sure than the overlapping actually happened until I tested Pledge of Hands. Pledge gives mediorce DPS per projectile, but all orbs overlapping together create huge DPS spikes and seem to verify that orbs overlap indeed.

"Increased Area of Effect Support" has no added damage, so taking more area from skill-tree seems better as it also adds minion damage.

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Hi

I sent an message to the thread originators. If any guild officer is online sooner, please invite me to this guild, I would love to play with other golemancers.

Thanks

Hey :)

Just sent you an invitation. Welcome to the guild! ^^

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a 3B 2R 1G Skin of the loyal appears to be very expensive. Both 2B 2R 2G and 2B 3R 1G are much cheaper.

I was thinking of purchasing one the cheaper ones until I have the currency to get the ideal one.

What would the ideal flame golem sockets be for either configuration? Taking out combustion for either fire penetration or slower projectiles?

I'm currently running the necromancer defensive version.

Hi :)

Yep, it's either Slower Projectiles or Fire pene for thise colors instead of Combustion.

With Slower Projectiles you lose about 20% of total Golem damage compared to Combustion. With fire pene you should lose but less, but the combination may cost more than 2r2g2b.