Vendor Recipe: 5-link item -> 7 orbs of fusing.

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Shovelcut escreveu:

There is exactly one person in this thread against the idea so far and ya'll act like there are many. And you've all been around long enough to know that one person disagrees with almost everything.

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Right, so GGG implement this next patch sense it has no impact at all. Seems logical.


Can you explain why fusings should be the reward OP or do you agree that blessings seem more inline with the design of the rewards?


Can you argue on how a 5 link is not a complete item, therefore not something you should be rewarded for, following the principles of the 6 socket, 6 link and 3 linked colors that currently exists?



Anyone that says its currently trash now, should understand that if its worth little to nothing now, changing it to be rewarding to pick it up is a bit illogical, when for years we would ignore it and leave it on the ground, you want to change it from being worth more then a 6 socket, even if its only a 5 socket 5 link, is beyond all reason IMO.

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goetzjam escreveu:

Can you explain why fusings should be the reward OP or do you agree that blessings seem more inline with the design of the rewards?

I would rather it be orbs of fusing (even if it were just 1 orb) than a blessed orb, because I think that is more intuitive, and intuitiveness is the only good reason to implement this idea, imo. Others may think a blessed orb is more intuitive, and if their argument for that is stronger than mine (made earlier in this thread), then they should get their way. It's honestly not that big of a deal.

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Can you argue on how a 5 link is not a complete item, therefore not something you should be rewarded for, following the principles of the 6 socket, 6 link and 3 linked colors that currently exists?

I don't understand your question, sorry.

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Anyone that says its currently trash now, should understand that if its worth little to nothing now, changing it to be rewarding to pick it up is a bit illogical, when for years we would ignore it and leave it on the ground, you want to change it from being worth more then a 6 socket, even if its only a 5 socket 5 link, is beyond all reason IMO.

I feel it should reward more than a 6-socket unlinked item for the following two reasons:

1) It is more useful.
2) It is rarer.

I thought that was self evident. If either #1 or #2 were not true, then there wouldn't be so much consensus in this and other threads agreeing with the core idea (if not the details of the exact reward).

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I would rather it be orbs of fusing (even if it were just 1 orb) than a blessed orb, because I think that is more intuitive, and intuitiveness is the only good reason to implement this idea, imo. Others may think a blessed orb is more intuitive, and if their argument for that is stronger than mine (made earlier in this thread), then they should get their way. It's honestly not that big of a deal.

So a 6 socket 5 link would reward you with less then a 6 socket no 5 link? Because 7 jewelers>1 fuse.


If its only a 5 link 5 socket that should be changed, then that isn't the same discussion as we have been having. If you want to say that it should ONLY be changed for a 5 link 5 socket item, I think perhaps there is more merit to discussing that if you'd like.

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I don't understand your question, sorry.

The question is should 5 link 5 sockets be treated the same as 6 socket 5 links, ultimately. But the question was more that 6 socket 5 link isn't a complete item, so why should it reward you, like the current 6 socket, 3 linked different colors, ect.

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I feel it should reward more than a 6-socket unlinked item for the following two reasons:

1) It is more useful.
2) It is rarer.

I thought that was self evident. If either #1 or #2 were not true, then there wouldn't be so much consensus in this and other threads agreeing with the core idea (if not the details of the exact reward).

Rarity doesn't matter according to you, if I can't use it against you as an argument, you cant use it for you either.


If it was more useful as you say it was, then you would be more likely to pick it up, but it isn't in many cases.

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goetzjam escreveu:

Anyone that says its currently trash now, should understand that if its worth little to nothing now, changing it to be rewarding to pick it up is a bit illogical, when for years we would ignore it and leave it on the ground, you want to change it from being worth more then a 6 socket, even if its only a 5 socket 5 link, is beyond all reason IMO.

Illogical?
You don't have the faintest clue of what logic actually is, right?

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Sickness escreveu:

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goetzjam escreveu:

Anyone that says its currently trash now, should understand that if its worth little to nothing now, changing it to be rewarding to pick it up is a bit illogical, when for years we would ignore it and leave it on the ground, you want to change it from being worth more then a 6 socket, even if its only a 5 socket 5 link, is beyond all reason IMO.

Illogical?
You don't have the faintest clue of what logic actually is, right?

If something is currently worth nothing, changing it to be worth something seems a bit stupid, is that better for you?

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goetzjam escreveu:

If something is currently worth nothing, changing it to be worth something seems a bit stupid, is that better for you?

I can certainly believe that it seems stupid to you.

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goetzjam escreveu:

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I would rather it be orbs of fusing (even if it were just 1 orb) than a blessed orb, because I think that is more intuitive, and intuitiveness is the only good reason to implement this idea, imo. Others may think a blessed orb is more intuitive, and if their argument for that is stronger than mine (made earlier in this thread), then they should get their way. It's honestly not that big of a deal.

So a 6 socket 5 link would reward you with less then a 6 socket no 5 link? Because 7 jewelers>1 fuse.


If its only a 5 link 5 socket that should be changed, then that isn't the same discussion as we have been having. If you want to say that it should ONLY be changed for a 5 link 5 socket item, I think perhaps there is more merit to discussing that if you'd like.

You are talking about vendor recipe prioritization, which is actually a different discussion. I have my own thoughts on that, but I won't muddy up this thread with them.

In short, to answer your question, no, I do not think that a 6-socket-5-link should reward you less than a 6-socket with no links.

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The question is should 5 link 5 sockets be treated the same as 6 socket 5 links, ultimately. But the question was more that 6 socket 5 link isn't a complete item, so why should it reward you, like the current 6 socket, 3 linked different colors, ect.

Again, I don't accept your premise that the current rewards are based on "completeness" per se, and in fact think that they are usually (the divine recipe being a notable exception) based on giving you that which you would have to spend in order to enhance the very items you are trading.

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Rarity doesn't matter according to you, if I can't use it against you as an argument, you cant use it for you either.

Congratulations. You have created a meta-strawman argument, by mischaracterizing my criticism of your earlier strawman. Well done.

What I actually said is that your characterization of my argument as "Gimme currency just cause it's rare!" is inaccurate, since I quite clearly state multiple times that it is the meeting of both conditions (usefulness and rarity) that makes people wonder why a 5-linked item gives nothing special upon vendoring it. It is the combination of those two qualities that creates value, after all.

I even stated this in the very quotation to which you directed that statement, so I am genuinely at a loss as to how you missed it yet again.

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If it was more useful as you say it was, then you would be more likely to pick it up, but it isn't in many cases.

It is a lot more useful than a 6-socket no link item. And in fact I always pick up 5-linked items, though that is peripheral to my argument. There is a reason people scratch their heads when they vendor something like this and get nothing for it. It feels inconsistent. That is a necessarily subjective statement, but it is one with which most seem to agree.

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goetzjam escreveu:

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Sickness escreveu:

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goetzjam escreveu:

Anyone that says its currently trash now, should understand that if its worth little to nothing now, changing it to be rewarding to pick it up is a bit illogical, when for years we would ignore it and leave it on the ground, you want to change it from being worth more then a 6 socket, even if its only a 5 socket 5 link, is beyond all reason IMO.

Illogical?
You don't have the faintest clue of what logic actually is, right?

If something is currently worth nothing, changing it to be worth something seems a bit stupid, is that better for you?

Your premise is an assumption and a flawed one, since this has been suggested for over four years now.

You could argue that GGG has given their answer on this subject already by not implementing it, but then again we got a looooot of things that have been requested for years that are beneficial but GGG just never get's around to doing.

I don't think dropping a 5-link should yield a bad player-experience(which in most cases it currently is, since it's usefulness ends after a week of a new league due to no inherent value)

If we follow your logic and reasoning, then why do any items give currency rewards in return? Currency drops by itself, so why make vendor recipes or vendor sale value's at all?

The answer should be obvious, player game-play experience and a positive reward feedback loop.

Peace,

-Boem-

Plain 5L should yield 2 fuses when sold to vendor no more or no less. Just to bump up it's usefulness in terms of picking it up in the first place and bring their value up to notch of 6 sockets.
Would feel just as exciting as finding a plain 6 socket item as drop.

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goetzjam escreveu:

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Shovelcut escreveu:

There is exactly one person in this thread against the idea so far and ya'll act like there are many. And you've all been around long enough to know that one person disagrees with almost everything.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Right, so GGG implement this next patch sense it has no impact at all. Seems logical.


Can you explain why fusings should be the reward OP or do you agree that blessings seem more inline with the design of the rewards?


Can you argue on how a 5 link is not a complete item, therefore not something you should be rewarded for, following the principles of the 6 socket, 6 link and 3 linked colors that currently exists?



Anyone that says its currently trash now, should understand that if its worth little to nothing now, changing it to be rewarding to pick it up is a bit illogical, when for years we would ignore it and leave it on the ground, you want to change it from being worth more then a 6 socket, even if its only a 5 socket 5 link, is beyond all reason IMO.

Funny, I always keep hoarding those 5S 5L items that I personally drop, although they pose most times 0 incentive to do so.

A 5S 5L item is a complete item, just as a 5S 3 R-G-B item is.

A 6S item has prevalence as a vendor reward recipe over the R-G-B recipe, even when said item has both of them available.

It's not impossible to see that a 6S 5L item could also apply this same concept, and I think that GGG based the importance of the reward on the "rarity" - things more rarer are more rewarding, who knew? - but just as I stated, the 5L items could take precedence over 6S ones, or even just diversify the recipe:

1 5S 5L item would grant 1 Blessed orb when vendored

1 6S 5L item would grant >3 Fusing orbs when vendored

The second recipe would encompass the current 7 Jeweller orbs obtained for such a 6S item, so the bonus would start from just 1 and 25% Fusing orbs "moar"...

There would be 0 downside in actually making drops "valuable", as those would slow for a second "moar" the current Road Runners, would bring joy and happiness for those "slow pokes" like me, and would just provide something "moar" to look forward upon for everybody else that finds loot "subpar".

Meanwhile, 5L items, be them with 5S/6S don't drop like "candies", so their rarity already limits their impact, and we both know that GGG love to adjust such values if they fill something isn't up to their "preference".

And if those "Flora" divination cards are having a higher than expected influence on the Blessed orbs amount, GGG could simply adjust their drop rate, as those are a bit to frequent even for my taste (yes, this casual n00b hoarder ALWAYS picks up ALL THE DIVINATION CARDS, as I do have a Divination tab waiting to be filled)...

So bring some decent counter arguments without your regular prejudice. This is one of the changes that are good, and will be good for the game, as long as GGG doesn't deliberately mess up...