Vendor Recipe: 5-link item -> 7 orbs of fusing.

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Boem escreveu:

Your premise is an assumption and a flawed one, since this has been suggested for over four years now.

You could argue that GGG has given their answer on this subject already by not implementing it, but then again we got a looooot of things that have been requested for years that are beneficial but GGG just never get's around to doing.

I don't think dropping a 5-link should yield a bad player-experience(which in most cases it currently is, since it's usefulness ends after a week of a new league due to no inherent value)

If we follow your logic and reasoning, then why do any items give currency rewards in return? Currency drops by itself, so why make vendor recipes or vendor sale value's at all?

The answer should be obvious, player game-play experience and a positive reward feedback loop.

Peace,

-Boem-

My premise isn't flawed, the suggestion is.


Following your logic people have suggested instant buyouts for years and they should implement it because of that.


No you need reasons for a change and you need to understand the consistency behind the other rewards.


Making certain things, like 6 sockets, 6 link, 3 different colors linked have vendor rewards makes sense because it gives you a reason to pick certain things up, those certain things being something "complete" in a sense.


Completely linked for a 6 link, completely socketed for a 6 socket, completely colored for 3 linked different colors. These all give you think from the vendor. The only things that aren't currently something you can get in terms of regular currency that has been in the game for years is exalts, blessings and fusings.


Exalt recipe has been discussed before and that would be too easy.


Fusings can be purchased for jewelers, which are from 6 sockets, so there isn't really a desperate need to fill that gap.


And blessings are fairly niche in purpose and while its rarity isn't as super common, its uses aren't either. You maybe could argue that something should give a blessing orb, leaving only annulment orb and exalt orbs as ones you can't create yourself. (and mirrors, but that isn't really a standard currency)



If you've read this thread and all my responses you would know why I feel like it makes sense for the current things to have the rewards they do, but why a 5 link isn't really that special. especially in a day and age where 6 link div cards are pretty common, ect.

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goetzjam escreveu:

No you need reasons for a change

True, but when we are talking game design you also need reasons why things are the way they are.
The status quo is not the null hypothesis.

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Sickness escreveu:

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goetzjam escreveu:

No you need reasons for a change

True, but when we are talking game design you also need reasons why things are the way they are.
The status quo is not the null hypothesis.

And I've explained why I think its not necessary to reward for an uncompleted item.

Again, maybe its worth discussing 5 link in a 5 socket, as that is far more rare then a 6 socket 5 link IMO and it fits the ideals and principles of a completed item (in a sense) but OP is just talking about all 5 links, which has 2 conditions currently.

Again, a 5S 5L item is as complete as it would get without further increasing or reducing the number of sockets.

GGG could easily implement an Exalt recipe that would be difficult, the trick would be to make it easy enough comparing to simple divination card farming (a set of corrupted >ilvl 82 [85 ideally, but we need higher level content first] fully socketed, fully linked items would do, as long as the second 6L wouldn't be needed, but require 2 x 3L instead).

A bit of incentive to vendor items could also do wonders on those piles kept in inventory tabs.

The trick would be to make rarer and better drops a "reward" that comes from those "pesky" dangerous enemies like bosses, corrupted multi modded essence monsters, you know things that are "difficult" so players would understand that as long as they spend time fighting them, they'll grab something "good", heck, even "great".

But that's up to GGG...

PS: IMHO, a 6S 5L item is a lot more rarer than a pure 5S 5L item, I dropped maybe half a tab for the first category, and a few tabs of the second one, in just a "few" thousands of hours played...

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goetzjam escreveu:

And I've explained why I think its not necessary to reward for an uncompleted item...

Except your idea of "complete" is just one of many. I don't see a piece of gear which can have 6 sox to be complete just because the 3 sox it does actually have are of different colours. Hell, there is not even a white or abyssal socket amongst them.

You're just grasping at straws to try and explain why your opinion in this matter should be objectively better than the opinion of people who do think a 5L should give a reward at the vendor. Guess you'll never learn that opinion cannot be proven right or wrong, only beliefs can.

Stop already. You've voiced your opinion and it is valid, don't cheapen it by trying to prove it somehow.

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goetzjam escreveu:

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Boem escreveu:

Your premise is an assumption and a flawed one, since this has been suggested for over four years now.

You could argue that GGG has given their answer on this subject already by not implementing it, but then again we got a looooot of things that have been requested for years that are beneficial but GGG just never get's around to doing.

I don't think dropping a 5-link should yield a bad player-experience(which in most cases it currently is, since it's usefulness ends after a week of a new league due to no inherent value)

If we follow your logic and reasoning, then why do any items give currency rewards in return? Currency drops by itself, so why make vendor recipes or vendor sale value's at all?

The answer should be obvious, player game-play experience and a positive reward feedback loop.

Peace,

-Boem-

My premise isn't flawed, the suggestion is.


Following your logic people have suggested instant buyouts for years and they should implement it because of that.

You realize what a strawman is, right? It is where you assign a refutable argument (often an easily refuted one) to another that they did not make.

Please stop doing this. It doesn't actually contribute to discussion and is extremely annoying to all involved.

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No you need reasons for a change and you need to understand the consistency behind the other rewards.


Making certain things, like 6 sockets, 6 link, 3 different colors linked have vendor rewards makes sense because it gives you a reason to pick certain things up, those certain things being something "complete" in a sense.


Completely linked for a 6 link, completely socketed for a 6 socket, completely colored for 3 linked different colors. These all give you think from the vendor. The only things that aren't currently something you can get in terms of regular currency that has been in the game for years is exalts, blessings and fusings.

Again, even if you succeed at demonstrating that completeness is the defining characteristic of a vendor recipe (you have yet to do so, by the way), your definition of "complete" is necessarily arbitrary.

A 20% hammer and a 20% map will yield the exact same chisel that a 20% hammer and a 7% map will yield. Why?

2x rares with the same name yield a chance orb, and 3x yield an alch. 4x will yield an alch + the vendor value of the 4th. Why is 3x complete and 4x not?

The vaal orb recipe requires exactly 7 vaal gems. Why is 7 considered complete and 6 is not?

Without cherry picking it is impossible to demonstrate the consistency which you claim exists and which you claim must be preserved.

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Fusings can be purchased for jewelers, which are from 6 sockets, so there isn't really a desperate need to fill that gap.

And jeweller's orbs can be purchases with alts, easily. Shall we therefore dispose of the 6-socket recipe? If that isn't what you are saying, then I ask you, for the second time, what is your point with this detail?

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If you've read this thread and all my responses you would know why I feel like it makes sense for the current things to have the rewards they do, but why a 5 link isn't really that special. especially in a day and age where 6 link div cards are pretty common, ect.

This is, quite simply, smoke and mirrors. You are stretching, creating additional irrelevant fluff. No one farms 6-link div cards specifically to trade the armors for divine orbs, because they are not common enough for that to make sense.

And if 6-linked items gave nothing, then the existence of 6-link div cards would not be any more of a legitimate argument against implementing a recipe for them than you are making now.