Necropolis is the 2nd the worst retention League of all time: GGG can't understand their limits

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alhazred70 escreveu:

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Toforto escreveu:

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alhazred70 escreveu:

allowing ultra trivial things to spike your cortisol levels is A, bad for you, it accelerates the aging process among other undesirable health side effects. and B is an adopted response that you're fundamentally in charge of (which most people seemingly don't realize, I didn't until I was in my late 30's), you can choose to not allow things to trigger you, especially incredibly trivial things. It takes practice but slowly becomes easier and easier to master. Adapting to adversity large or small, in other ways than allowing yourself a stress response will also have many other positive benefits over time.

Lol no you don't "choose" to be annoyed by something annoying. It's annoying by definition. That goblin pet spam being in every town has just made the game worse. Players don't have to adapt to every single bad aspect of the game, those things should be fixed with future patches in a game like this. This argument of "just x,y or z bro its fine" that people use towards any complaint about the game at all is getting old real fast.

there's an entire branch of science around how stress works and Endocrinology (hormones) you should look into it. I did when I believed as you do and it was world changing.

No.

Okay if you don't want to know, thats certainly not a new response.

Gotta love the condescending tone from the enlightened sage who has ascended stress.

100% agree to the OP

And the most unobvious, strange and revolutionary idea is... they don't need to create completely NEW mech every League

I think, players would be happy if some of the old leagues would come back sometimes - but fixed and polished.

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alhazred70 escreveu:

allowing ultra trivial things to spike your cortisol levels is A, bad for you, it accelerates the aging process among other undesirable health side effects. and B is an adopted response that you're fundamentally in charge of (which most people seemingly don't realize, I didn't until I was in my late 30's), you can choose to not allow things to trigger you, especially incredibly trivial things. It takes practice but slowly becomes easier and easier to master. Adapting to adversity large or small, in other ways than allowing yourself a stress response will also have many other positive benefits over time.

Woooooooow......a lot to unpack here because its like 10% correct, and 90% misleading or downright false. First of all, I'd like to preface this by saying I have a BS and an MS in this field of study. Not that you need to believe me on that, but I felt the need to share that. I am not going to waste my time gathering scientific papers because I have better things to do, but I can say with absolute certainty that if you do some proper research, these following points will be corroborated.

1) No, the science does NOT say you get to "choose" for something not to trigger you. The very definition of a "trigger" is that it is an involuntary unconscious response. A trigger can't EVER be chosen.

2) What you can ACTUALLY do is condition yourself to not be triggered as strongly or perhaps not at all. Much like Pavlovian conditioning (the dog, the bell, and the snack), if you repeatedly encounter a trigger stimulus and desensitize yourself, then sure you can control it. But I would most definitely not call that CHOOSING to not be triggered.

3) You are NOT in charge of stress responses. Ever. Period. They are part of the autonomic systems in the body. Literally DESIGNED to be unconscious responses because if they were CONSCIOUS decisions, you would die.

Re-read those textbooks you are trying to quote!


***Btw, this post "triggered" me because of how off it was. My initial, subconscious, autonomic signaling caused my blood pressure to rise and sent a bunch of messages around my body that I do not control or choose, such as muscle tensing and primary emotional responses via the Amygdala. However, because of years of teaching and experience dealing with all kinds of people and conversation in general, I was able to "control" my own conscious response to the autonomic response so that I didn't fly into a blinding rage and type a million curse words in a row and scream bloody murder. I have been effectively "conditioned" to respond to these involuntary signals in a more appropriate way, but by no means do I ever get to "choose" my triggers.

When frustrations getting bigger I bang bang bang pull that devil trigger.

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jsuslak313 escreveu:

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alhazred70 escreveu:

It takes practice but slowly becomes easier and easier to master. Adapting to adversity large or small, in other ways than allowing yourself a stress response will also have many other positive benefits over time.

Woooooooow......a lot to unpack here because its like 10% correct, and 90% misleading or downright false. First of all, I'd like to preface this by saying I have a BS and an MS in this field of study. Not that you need to believe me on that, but I felt the need to share that. I am not going to waste my time gathering scientific papers because I have better things to do, but I can say with absolute certainty that if you do some proper research, these following points will be corroborated.

1) No, the science does NOT say you get to "choose" for something not to trigger you. The very definition of a "trigger" is that it is an involuntary unconscious response. A trigger can't EVER be chosen.

2) What you can ACTUALLY do is condition yourself to not be triggered as strongly or perhaps not at all. Much like Pavlovian conditioning (the dog, the bell, and the snack), if you repeatedly encounter a trigger stimulus and desensitize yourself, then sure you can control it. But I would most definitely not call that CHOOSING to not be triggered.

3) You are NOT in charge of stress responses. Ever. Period. They are part of the autonomic systems in the body. Literally DESIGNED to be unconscious responses because if they were CONSCIOUS decisions, you would die.

Re-read those textbooks you are trying to quote!


***Btw, this post "triggered" me because of how off it was. My initial, subconscious, autonomic signaling caused my blood pressure to rise and sent a bunch of messages around my body that I do not control or choose, such as muscle tensing and primary emotional responses via the Amygdala. However, because of years of teaching and experience dealing with all kinds of people and conversation in general, I was able to "control" my own conscious response to the autonomic response so that I didn't fly into a blinding rage and type a million curse words in a row and scream bloody murder. I have been effectively "conditioned" to respond to these involuntary signals in a more appropriate way, but by no means do I ever get to "choose" my triggers.

Wow sounds an awful lot like I was mostly accurate, but you reframed and vaguely characterize what I said in bad faith so you could be pedantic.

Have you never seen a Monk set themself on fire? A soldier under fire keeping their shit together?

You don't think they're using high level control and training to override their low level instinct? I don't know where you get a degree in "thats my area" without learning about this.

Imagine a fireman needing several dozen attempts before they can successfully control their fear response to enter a burning building... Thats okay Pat, you can save the burning puppies on attempt 37... or not.

And imagine we're talking about someone who said they need to run off to their HO to avoid being triggered by a sound effect in a videogame. If you think thats something that can not be mitigated then I don't know what to say.

Do you see what I did here? I temporarily reframed your argument in exactly the same way you reframed mine and pretended you don't know the above the same way you did with your 2nd point.

You see the quoted part I bolded? Yeah you're pretending I didn't write that so you can take my admittedly overly assertive phrasing in bad faith and pretend that I asserted that they can just instantly not be triggered. Should I have softened phrases like "allowing yourself a stress response" by saying "LESS stress response"? Sure because its the internet where people love to be pedantic and I should know better by now. But so should you. You literally state your 2nd point after I already bring up practice (conditioning) because if you don't pretend I don't already know it, it would have robbed you of the opportunity to make a snarky reply.

Re point 1, "choose" is me using sloppy wording, you can condition yourself. Again its the internet and I should know better than to get lazy and not disclaimer every assertion; or suffer the pedantry.

Re point 3, this is your turn to soften your sloppy overly binary wording or you're just wrong, and contradicting your own assertion that we can mitigate how much we allow it to effect us.

You never see someone who's able to slow their own heart rate? We're able to control subconscious autonomous systems with practice (conditioning). If your text books don't dive into this then they're out of date, maybe get something written after the turn of the LAST century?

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BarBarJynx escreveu:

Gotta love the condescending tone from the enlightened sage who has ascended stress.

Definitely not transcended stress, but trying to mitigate it is something everyone could benefit from. I work on it a little every day.

In a world with people who "run away" from a sound effect in a videogame maybe more people should condescend... I mean we can either scorn that level of sensitivity or condone it, pick your poison.

I absolutely agree! I just wish they use their common senses and end the league since it's trash. It's harsh, but the league idea was as much trash as league itself. End it and don't wait for 4 months for another league. Bring back quality leagues with max 12-13 weeks between them.

But, who am I writing to...like they care about community opinions :))

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alhazred70 escreveu:

lol

Gotta love that google knowledge making everyone think they are an expert at everything. Only to not be aware their ignorance is obvious to anyone that knows remotely anything about the subject.

And then rather than recognize the faulty "knowledge", blaming the word choice.

Add the classic defensive non-response.

Not worth the battle