<<*The 20% Gem Recipe*>>

don t get your point, this would be a problem in standard/hardcore leagues, but GGG decided those leagues to be trash leagues made for experimentation, This recipe fit very well in this idea.

I dont see the real leagues (the 4 monts ones) having a lot of people with 20%gems before the end of them.

It s sad because i hate the new leagues and i play just in standard, but it s like that and those old leagues are just that: trash leagues to make experiments
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Última edição por lolozori#1147 em 22 de jul. de 2013 05:55:12
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LePvPMaster escreveu:
I already said that I understand GGG wants to reward players for spending time on their game, but this defeats the whole purpose of GCPs.


Why? How? You find a 10% gem that your build uses, you socket it and level it to 20. What do you do now, do you use the recipe and relevel the gem to 20 again, which will take you weeks, or do you use GCPs to take it to 20%?

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In the end, I'm pretty sure that at least 50% of the player base will have 20% gems on every slot.


And this is a positive thing.
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ruin what? softcore economy , dude thats already ruined! U cant kill a dead man wtf.Lvl 20 gems are a lot more rare in onslaught/hardcore and people dont want to w8 for lvl 20 to add some quality , players generally gcp gems at lvl 18 because they want as much efficency as possible as fast as possible to be able to survive.
Game? Who needs to play the game? Forums are funny enough

Anyway, mass hysteria strikes again. It's still easier to bring your cheaply purchased 10% gem to 20% with gcps, than to level it to lvl 20, TWICE!
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In impenetrable darkness
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LePvPMaster escreveu:
I don't know why people are restating things I already mentioned in my post.

I already said that I understand GGG wants to reward players for spending time on their game, but this defeats the whole purpose of GCPs.

And yes, I'm pretty sure it'll ruin the economy and everyone will have Level 20 20% gems eventually.


In 700+ hrs played I don't have a single level 20 gem. Or 20% quality for that matter. My total GCP dropped (playing self found) is 20. So even if I go and exhange all my future lvl20 gems I can do it for a whole one toon and maybe few gems for another. Ulalala. So broken. Take in to the account I have half a dozen 60-80 toons I need kitting...yeah, I can see how broken it is on the flip side coz I'd need hundreds and hundreds of GCP to quality only the cool gems (that benefit most from quality).

If you wanna balance the drop rate compared to people with asses full of currency it's akin to balance the prices compared to wealth of Bill Gates (and similar ppl). Go ahead, I bet you'll enjoy your 10.000$ mocca lattes and 1 million $ computers.

And yeah...the "economy"...it's a damn crude closed barter system with RNG sinks. There's no central banks, laws, ratings agencies, stock markets and so on. In human history you had things that devalued, like obsidian (made good spear/arrow tips yo), salt (used also as currency...salary/soldat comes in part from word salt), seashells (used as currency in some cultures) so on and so forth. Anyway, we'd still be paid in salt if nothing ever changed, and we're not and look, we weren't ruined.

So yeah...doubt it will ruin the economy since it's not "that" kind of economy that can be ruined much anyway...will the change in GCP value negatively impact your gameplay? Will you be playing worse? Die more? Harder to make a new toon viable? What? Just crying wolf is such good arguments. Also, keep in mind, if you only have one character well, you'll get geared a bit faster, who cares. But if you have multiple (which the skill tree kinda supports + races + longer leagues)...yeah.
Everyone is playing in the new leagues anyway and they will be wiped in a couple of months then a short break and then they start up again all new. None of this matters.
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LePvPMaster escreveu:
I've read some of the other threads that are regarding the discovery/realization of the Level 20+ 1 GCP vendor recipe for a Level 1 20% Gem of the same type.

People are arguing that it's a fair recipe and that it won't effect the economy much, due to the time it takes to hit Level 20 on a gem.

I don't know if this is true, but someone had told me it takes roughly 150 hours if you don't chill or AFK non-stop.

I would like to clearly state before I go any further, that I am not in any way saying getting Level 20 on a gem is easy.

I understand that those who have spent their time on the game to obtain these hard to get levels deserve some sort of reward.

The current recipe is a good idea, but I strongly feel that ONE Level 20 gem + ONE GCP is a bit unfair.

In any case, they should make it 3-5 of the SAME Level 20 gem + 1 GCP.

This encourages people to trade Level 20 gems for other Level 20 gems or currency, since people won't necessarily want the exact same Level 20 gems.

I strongly feel that the current recipe will ruin the economy.

Even though people are stating that it won't affect the economy much, I would like them to extrapolate or just think about what would happen in 1 month or so.

Currently, GGG is literally giving you 19 GCPS per Level 20 gem for playing the game.

If we were to say you hold a gem in every slot piece, which sums up to 30 and get it to Level 20 and use the recipe, you would end up with a 570 GCP profit.

Lets say it takes roughly 150 hours to get a gem to Level 20, GGG is giving you 570 GCPs for playing for that duration.

The problem is, you will almost never ever find 570 GCPs during those 150 hours.

People can get 30 gems to Level 20, and use the gem recipe, and remake the same character and use those 20% gems.

Some people may still think that it's very hard to get to Level 20, but I'm pretty sure that those who are aware of this gem recipe will probably obtain Level 20, use the gem recipe, and continue the cycle.

In the end, I'm pretty sure that at least 50% of the player base will have 20% gems on every slot.

This completely devalues GCP, even though it is supposedly the 5th rarest currency to find.

I would like it if the community could give me some feedback on my thoughts, no hate though please.

EDIT: I'm literally just AFK in A1N just watching people link 5x 20% Gems of Level 1 constantly. This recipe just brought in a whole wave of 20% gems. How is that not ruining the economy.


The devaluation of gcp does not hurt the economy or the player who does not have time to lvl gems to 20 it will actually help in most cases.
What most likely will happen is that medium %Q gems will be a lot cheaper and gcp will be cheaper so buying a 15Q gem and putting some gcp on it will be a lot more affordable for a casual player than it is now.

If you had your currency converted into gcp or you hoard a lot of Qgems then it surely does suck for you atm, but hoarding and investing in less used currency rarely pays dividends unless you are in a position to control the market.
Im not sure gcp's will devalue that much, everyone will still want to have their gems maxed out.

Plus, atleast now there's a reason to not vendor away those useless normal lvl 20gems, and quality gems are more easily obtainable by those who don't have that much currency / invest game time.

Just so one becomes clear, leveling a gem to max level it's like leveling a char to lvl 83 or so.
Natrak 94 Witch | Low Life Crit Arc'er - Standard
Jannee 92 Templar | Low Life Wander - Standard
Ntk 74 Ranger | Low Life TS - Standard (idling)
Jaaneee 72 Ranger | LS Tank (idling)
Joramm 73 Templar | Ele cleaver - Hardcore (idling)
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Just so one becomes clear, leveling a gem to max level it's like leveling a char to lvl 83 or so.


I doubt it.

I have a level 83 Character with a lot of lv 19 gems though I died A LOT.(+ I prefered to farm low level maps)

Its rather lv 90 Character level for a lv 20 gem I think.
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Novalight escreveu:
In 700+ hrs played I don't have a single level 20 gem. Or 20% quality for that matter. My total GCP dropped (playing self found) is 20. So even if I go and exhange all my future lvl20 gems I can do it for a whole one toon and maybe few gems for another. Ulalala. So broken. Take in to the account I have half a dozen 60-80 toons I need kitting...yeah, I can see how broken it is on the flip side coz I'd need hundreds and hundreds of GCP to quality only the cool gems (that benefit most from quality).

If you wanna balance the drop rate compared to people with asses full of currency it's akin to balance the prices compared to wealth of Bill Gates (and similar ppl). Go ahead, I bet you'll enjoy your 10.000$ mocca lattes and 1 million $ computers.

And yeah...the "economy"...it's a damn crude closed barter system with RNG sinks. There's no central banks, laws, ratings agencies, stock markets and so on. In human history you had things that devalued, like obsidian (made good spear/arrow tips yo), salt (used also as currency...salary/soldat comes in part from word salt), seashells (used as currency in some cultures) so on and so forth. Anyway, we'd still be paid in salt if nothing ever changed, and we're not and look, we weren't ruined.

So yeah...doubt it will ruin the economy since it's not "that" kind of economy that can be ruined much anyway...will the change in GCP value negatively impact your gameplay? Will you be playing worse? Die more? Harder to make a new toon viable? What? Just crying wolf is such good arguments. Also, keep in mind, if you only have one character well, you'll get geared a bit faster, who cares. But if you have multiple (which the skill tree kinda supports + races + longer leagues)...yeah.

Thank you for speaking out my mind.
Última edição por Nightmare90#4217 em 22 de jul. de 2013 07:21:24

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