Crit Multiplier + Diamond Flask (still) too powerful

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Zakaluka escreveu:

Now pick any one of those, it doesn't matter which. They all have pros and cons.
Next give everyone as much access to 4+ power charges as we currently have access to endurance charges. All that work you went through to fix diamond flasks just got upset. Start over, do it again.

Power charge mechanics have to come before we get real serious about a final implementation of the diamond flask.

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Zakaluka escreveu:

For a while I thought a flat 50% additional would be best too. That one maintains some of the character of multiplier-stacking builds while putting a "soft cap" on crit at 50%.

Soft cap just means: how much crit I need to diamond to 100%.

Then I analyzed all 3 options for scaling, and I prefer the option #1. It maintains the parabolic scaling of crit stats best, encouraging players to stack both crit and mult simultaneously. That one completely eliminates the "mult-stacker" builds and puts a "soft cap" on crit at 40%.

I don't really like option #2. It places a "soft cap" on crit too, but the value of that soft cap depends what weapon or skill you're using. If your weapon/skill has base crit of 5%, your soft cap is 70% - I.E., you'll never reach it. If your weapon/skill has base crit of 8.94% (staff with 30% local crit) the soft cap becomes 46%. So not only is it already harder to get high crit for some weapons/skills, but you need more crit to begin with before diamond becomes useful. Bad idea.

All right, so anyway, I like option 1. It leaves the soft cap in reach of everyone; 40% crit is reachable in any setup. It doesn't put crutches on multiplier - crit and mult retain their relative values, scaling stays similar to that without any crit flask. With some weapons (notably daggers and wands) that 40% soft cap is very easy to reach, with others (weapons and skills designed with low crit) it's a little more difficult.

(hey, all of the above is off a little bit. mechanics thread says crit chance is capped at 95%. Whoops)

Here, I'll post this again. DPS-ratio scaling for all 3 proposed diamond flask implementations. Vertical axis is a ratio that applies to your DPS, versus horizontal axes which are crit bonuses (%global crit/mult)

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Qarl escreveu:

Just one thing I'd like to note, if someone does find a way to keep their Diamond Flask ever full, that number is going to be pushed higher than 80.

I have no problem nerfing short term fun for the greater good.

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Zakaluka escreveu:

victor, that's the point :P

You're supposed to need crit and mult together in great quantity for a crit build to be good.

Builds that stack mult exclusively shouldn't be good.

All proposed changes to crit flasks are intended to put crit back where it belongs: as a dual-stat glass cannon setup. It should be very passive hungry and leave you few points for anything else. The current diamond flask implementation is just asking for all kinds of 5-diamond gimmick builds.

The reason I specifically call out crit builds as "glass cannon" builds: every other offensive stat is linear. Crit is meant to be a parabolic gain when you stack both stats. Before it's balanced, though, the bar has to be set high: number of points to invest before crit is better than, say, %ele or %phys or %cast/atk speed needs to be very high. And then if you're at that point you want to stack them both much farther, because you have the potential for better dps than anyone else in the game.

This is not how crit works right now. diamond flask turns crit scaling into a very steep line, because certain builds exist which can chain them forever. This has been isolated before as a concern by qarl:

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Qarl escreveu:

Just one thing I'd like to note, if someone does find a way to keep their Diamond Flask ever full, that number is going to be pushed higher than 80.

I have no problem nerfing short term fun for the greater good.

of course, they were just discussing rate of charge recovery, not the underlying mechanics. Thread was here.