Please explain the "Make an offer" mentality...

It's simple.

Reallife is the best example.

You go in a shop? Fixed prices there!

You take part in an auction? (ebay for example) Make an offer!

It should be the same in PoE. Only problem is that people call their Thread 'shop' although they want to make an auction for each item.

hahaha i all ways post in my trading posts i say PM on website or post with offers

if i get a PM or even a PM in game asking for how much i just flat out ignore them

not BM trading just i said offer i dont have a price in mind

all so when i made a post to buy an item i say post price and stats dont PM pls

i just dont like trading but i have to

I deal with people like OP everyday they offer me 7c for items that are worth 7ex, you op are the reason trading is terrible.

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KopaKabana escreveu:

OFFER THEM 1 WHITE ITEM
I DO TAHT ALL THE TIME
ITS THEIR STRATEGY,HOPING YOU WILL OFFER MORE THEN THEY ASK
A GGG DESIGN FAILURE , IN THE END

I fail to see how this is a design failure. Anyone understanding a scrap of economy can see that GGG is using the open and free market method. They let the community/players decided on the best method to trade. It is a human failure to organize NOT a failure in design. In an ideal world we all get to trade with the FAIR price at a efficient time, but NOT all of us want to trade FAIRLY. Also the FAIR price changes all the time. Similar to politics where we can say democracy is an awful government system BUT it is the best one we got! The current system is FAR from perfect, but hell it is likely the best we got for now.

Truly if it is a fail design people like you should try and come up with a good design. Who knows, with all this CAPS, it may actually be a good one. (^_-)

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nick20404 escreveu:

I deal with people like OP everyday they offer me 7c for items that are worth 7ex, you op are the reason trading is terrible.

Then specify that you're looking for 7 exalt, don't post 'offer me' and then get mad when people tell you 7 chaos.

It's your own fault, unless you specifically mentioned it's worth 7 exalts and he still offers only 7 chaos.

I hate when i searching poe.xyz for an item, find something perfect for my build and then send them a pm asking about it. i get a pm back asking me to offer. If i have absolutely no idea what its worth ill tell them this, half the time they just say make an offer again, so ill make an offer and they say NTY and thats that. You obviously dont like my offer so you must have some sort of price in mind? JUST TELL ME WHAT IT IS!

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nick20404 escreveu:

I deal with people like OP everyday they offer me 7c for items that are worth 7ex, you op are the reason trading is terrible.

more like you think its worth 7ex but in reality its just above average and 7 chaos.
when you get told its not , you are crying out loud and denying the possibility of whoever is landing the toldhammer upon you to be a "noob".

i remember a guy wanted several ex one day for an average gold amu with IIR IIQ on it "oh they go for several ex"

i go to poexyz and buy myself one for 15chaos not 3 or 4 exalts but 15chaos.
thats a huge difference.

so what people think of prices and pricing items is irrelevant unless its a unique with fixed stats in rollbrackets.
some neckbeards think they found the holygrail with a shitty rare that many people including me find all the time and actually even vendor now and then when we cant / dont want to be bothered to sell em for a few chaos.
whats good about a few chaos when you need several exalts for something youd like ?
might as well just exchange fuses to exalts right because fuck it why not.
then there is also the problem that some manchildren think , hey if he sold something for exalts this means my +20dualresi ring with allres is also exalts!?

thus they begin advertising GG belts boots gloves jewelry weapons which drop quite often if you play more then 10minutes per day.

and that is why i shit into tradechat 1-10 my bargains then i proceed playing.
if ive something i think of as valueable i put it inside the forum so its listed on poexyz
then someone comes along and we discuss the price of that item , what id like to have for it.
hearing him/her about what they actually expected to pay tops and if we can negotiate.
wow its that simple.
it´s about actually listening and not being a retarded mouthbreather thinking his items are FIXED and SET IN STONE.

I don't know why ppl complain about trading so much

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Kechop escreveu:

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i go to poexyz and buy myself one for 15chaos not 3 or 4 exalts but 15chaos.
thats a huge difference.
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Question: why didn't you ask the first person if he was willing to beat the 15 chaos price offered by the second person?

You had nothing to lose by making that question. Furthermore, that's how proper haggling should be done: by informing that there is a similar one for X price and if he would be willing to sell his for lower.

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alphatau escreveu:

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KopaKabana escreveu:

OFFER THEM 1 WHITE ITEM
I DO TAHT ALL THE TIME
ITS THEIR STRATEGY,HOPING YOU WILL OFFER MORE THEN THEY ASK
A GGG DESIGN FAILURE , IN THE END

I fail to see how this is a design failure. Anyone understanding a scrap of economy can see that GGG is using the open and free market method. They let the community/players decided on the best method to trade. It is a human failure to organize NOT a failure in design. In an ideal world we all get to trade with the FAIR price at a efficient time, but NOT all of us want to trade FAIRLY. Also the FAIR price changes all the time. Similar to politics where we can say democracy is an awful government system BUT it is the best one we got! The current system is FAR from perfect, but hell it is likely the best we got for now.

Truly if it is a fail design people like you should try and come up with a good design. Who knows, with all this CAPS, it may actually be a good one. (^_-)

free market? lol

They made trading as annoying as possible. If they wanted a true free market, allow an AH to exist in game. Then we'll see a real economy. true supply and demand. eve online has closest to a real economy i've seen in a game.