"This loot system is flawed and needs to change!!"

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Aurlon escreveu:

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Delmas escreveu:

how can you convince somebody anything when they ignore all logic?

Maybe that's the issue here. Can't we just accept that we as players hold a different view, and to cater to both is in the best interest of everyone and the health of the game?

I've heard the "waste of development time" argument, and it holds no water. For a start, implementing this is far from the most difficult task. GGG were tweaking the loot system right up until OB. Second, you don't hold a monopoly on deciding what aspect of the game GGG should "waste" their development time on.

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derbefrier escreveu:

I'll answer your question with another OP

Why do you believe the Casual players should be regarded in a higher favor than the more hardcore ones? Money? that seems to be the rallying cry of the casual when demanding such core changes to a game "Make it so my grandma can play it and you'll be rich!" Is that it? Well, I got news for you a game doesn't have to cater to the casual market to make a profit. so there goes that argument so again why should the devs cater to you and abandon their vision of the game? Obviously from the amount of supporters and players and the replies to this and many other topics like it, many people are just fine with the system. So what makes you so special? Why can you not allow us to keep this game the way we like it, and for many of us the BIGGEST reason we supported it. can you not see how even this so called "option" dilutes that?

The reason I ask this is the swarm of casual players demanding core mechanic changes that come around seems to just happen in every game these days. "I can only play in 30 second bursts this isn't fair!" "I dont like this game, make all these changes so i will!" Its tiring and annoying to see this group of people follow us to every game and ruin it. Yes we do get defensive and sometimes step out of line but with good reason. We have watched you so called casuals destroy just about everything we loved about the games of old and for once we thought we found our bastion of hardcore gaming but when we see this happening all over again your damn right we will defend ourselves and not give in as we know from experience once you give the casuals an inch they go a mile. It wont stop with FFA loot and by the end of it we'll all be left with a shell of a game that was once something to be treasured.

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tinghshi escreveu:

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Tandimonium escreveu:

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tinghshi escreveu:

Why would you want competition in a party? The whole point of having parties is so that people can work together. This entire system makes no sense from its very roots.

It really is sad that you "hardcore" gamers think you are better than us. No we're not "casual" players. We're just players who have a different opinion on a subject. I love this game just as much as you, and like a challenge just as much. This is why I never complain about the game being hard. But having to compete in a party is simply ridiculous, and the only reason you think that it's the way it's "supposed to be" is because it was in Diablo 2. Well guess what? Diablo 2 doesn't define this genre. It was a great game, but it wasn't perfect. No game is. This is why games need to adapt and evolve. You people are just to ignorant to realize this.

I don't think I am better then you. I just think you need to accept the game as is and not try to create another D3 (Which is still for sale at a store near you!). Stop acting like everyone should cater to you. This is the only game with this loot style and I LIKE IT. So, stop trying to change it and we will get along!

Oh the irony. You tell me you don't think you're better than me, yet you tell me that my opinion is apparently "wrong" and yours is "right". Why should I stop just because you don't like it? Who do you think you are? If you think changing the loot system turns this game into D3, then you are just too stupid to argue with.

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The top ladder players are all grouping and sharing loot already. That's clearly much more beneficial than a slightly longer period of time to claim some random loot that may or may not be useful to you (and may very well end up vendored or traded away anyway).

If someone in the group is avoiding combat to run around collecting loot, aren't they gearing up unfairly quickly, too? It seems like you're arguing for an arbitrary line to be drawn.

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KorganBloodaxe escreveu:

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Delmas escreveu:

It is yours because your build would use it? This is not well defined, but if I were playing with you(I wouldn't) I probably give it to you if you said you would use it.

Nice, but most players who are ninjas don't do that.

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Tandimonium escreveu:

Sir, please step out of the Azeroth portal and look around...No one cares that you were too slow to get the loot. It is not yours, and will never be yours unless you man up and get into the action, or trade for it. It doesn't matter who it fits best with, if I find a pair of speedos before you THEN THEY ARE MINE! Go cry about it while I do the safety dance!

I never played WoW so I cannot comply.

And as several of us stated before:
Because of the loot system we play solo, where everything is ours.
But always playing solo is completely retarded for an online game.

Also you could step out of your Diablo2 Portal.
All we ever hear from FFA-likers is "It's like that, deal with it"
Rational arguments seem to be rare in D2-Land, they shouldn't be rare in Wraeclast.

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The game doesn't adapt to you, you adapt to the game.

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Delmas escreveu:

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Zenn3k escreveu:

1: Everything is mine, I am simply choosing if I want to pick it up or not. Choosing not to pick up an item doesn't make it any less mine.
2: So if the melee runs off by themselves and kills things, and some of those kills results in drops for the Ranger he is grouped with...its the Ranger's fault?
3: K, I KNOW the game and the forums would be better off without you, so we'll call that even

Your arguments are incredibly poor.

You and I should group up, I'll follow you and pick up all the items while you kill everything...anything that drops with YOUR name I'll just stop what I'm doing and click on that until either I get it, or you stop attacking and pick it up before me. After all that, and I have tons of orbs and you have jack shit...you can let me know if you wanna group up again.

That experience not sound good? Well thats a LOT of players experience during play and thats NOT going to make them want to stick around and buy cosmetic items.

Learn what is and what is NOT healthy for a game like this before you open up your NON SUPPORTER ass and speak.

1st, I do not group with noobs/ragers/ninjas

Everything on the ground is yours? That is your argument? Then you call my arguments bad?

You being a supporter does not increase your intelligence.

I am done with you, how can you convince somebody anything when they ignore all logic?

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With the current system I will either play solo, where I still can get a perfect item. Or with a premade group of people where my chances of getting the perfect item are even bigger.
I will never actually use the FFA loot system, which makes the FFA loot system and public parties pointless for me and many others.

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JoannaDark escreveu:

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The game doesn't adapt to you, you adapt to the game.