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SgtScrub escreveu:
You must have heard the echo from your cave because you could just as well be replying to any of your own posts with that statement.
You're either calling people "D3 noobies" or raising "strawmen" or "No true Scotsman" arguments.
1. D3 noobies argument; implying that changing a loot system slightly or even yielding to the possibility of options in that matter means that the game will intantly become a radically different game.
2. Anyone opposing you just wants the game to be easier (See 1.).
3. You repeatedly say "Fans of the game" or "Supporters" even though plenty of those "in favor" of a more party centric loot system, or options for it are supporters amd are basically invalidating everyone elses position as a "fan" of the game.
The problem is that everyone is picking everything up and giving little concern for anyone else.
Thus decreasing any incentive to party up with anyone to near zero unless you group with friends.
0) None of those words ever came out of my computer.
1) It will.
2) They do.
3) I have always used those terms only to include people who infact agree with me. Read it again and it may make sense.
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Postado porTandimonium#3150em 30 de jan. de 2013 16:54:20
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Tandimonium escreveu:
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cronosofavery escreveu:
Add a party option. Problem Solved.
Seriously it's that simple. In fact add 3 options.
1. FFA CUTTHROAT! NO TIMER. IT DROPS YOU GRAB GL!
2. Timer. Leave it exactly as it is.
3. Your Drops are Your Drops. If someone wants it you can CTRL click to unlock that loot on the ground. or make them pick it up and redrop it to unlock it.
There is literally NO arguement against this option besides this one.
I WANT YOU TO PLAY "MY" GAME THE WAY I "WANT" YOU TO PLAY IT!
Well, guess what. Fuck you. Everyone loves this game. It's Amazing, and it deserves a flourishing population of people new generation gamers and old generation gamers.
This game deserves to be played, now, and for years to come.
That WILL happen with or without this change, but it will absolutely not flourish to the potential it could and deserves to without this change.
I don't care how much you donated, I care how many years you played D2, I don't care how Pro/Hardcore/Anti-Carebear you are. That is YOUR problem. You shouldn't dictate how what seems to be a very large population of players want to enjoy themselves.
Get over it.
Make the change GGG, it's what is best for the game and what is best for the community.
Please don't regurgetate the same thing that has been said 10 times in this thread. We don't want to have to explain AGAIN why that won't work. If you need an answer I am sure it can be found stated earlier.
I've been in this thread since you started it. We had a basis for discussion on page 13, then you teamed up with DrMucas to change the topic.
At no time in this thread was a seriuos argument for not having a league with instanced loot given.
I beat cruel, ruthless and merciless and all I got were some maps.
XBone: the beginning of the end.
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Postado porKorganBloodaxe#5812em 30 de jan. de 2013 16:55:32
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tinghshi escreveu:
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Tandimonium escreveu:
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stahlstorm escreveu:
Only a thief would argue against someone puting locks on their front door.
And as earlier mentioned, if this thievery is going to be sanctioned by the devs atleast let us kill the thiefs..
I cannot steal something from you that you do not own.
The fact that we don't own anything even though we all fought in the same party is just one of many reasons why this system is flawed.
Not flawed, you own what you pick up. There is ownership potential, you just gotta work for it, like everyone else.
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Postado porTandimonium#3150em 30 de jan. de 2013 16:55:42
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Tandimonium escreveu:
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cronosofavery escreveu:
Add a party option. Problem Solved.
Seriously it's that simple. In fact add 3 options.
1. FFA CUTTHROAT! NO TIMER. IT DROPS YOU GRAB GL!
2. Timer. Leave it exactly as it is.
3. Your Drops are Your Drops. If someone wants it you can CTRL click to unlock that loot on the ground. or make them pick it up and redrop it to unlock it.
There is literally NO arguement against this option besides this one.
I WANT YOU TO PLAY "MY" GAME THE WAY I "WANT" YOU TO PLAY IT!
Well, guess what. Fuck you. Everyone loves this game. It's Amazing, and it deserves a flourishing population of people new generation gamers and old generation gamers.
This game deserves to be played, now, and for years to come.
That WILL happen with or without this change, but it will absolutely not flourish to the potential it could and deserves to without this change.
I don't care how much you donated, I care how many years you played D2, I don't care how Pro/Hardcore/Anti-Carebear you are. That is YOUR problem. You shouldn't dictate how what seems to be a very large population of players want to enjoy themselves.
Get over it.
Make the change GGG, it's what is best for the game and what is best for the community.
Please don't regurgetate the same thing that has been said 10 times in this thread. We don't want to have to explain AGAIN why that won't work. If you need an answer I am sure it can be found stated earlier.
You THINK you have, because you ignore every argument thrown at you. Just look at your last few posts and tell me who's regurgitating what.
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Postado portinghshi#7226em 30 de jan. de 2013 16:55:50
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I love that solutions are put forth and people say "That won't work" simply because they don't like them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a solo HC player because of the current loot system, but I don't want it changed either.
Both sides need to temper their attitudes. If it won't work, it needs to be more factual than "it compromises the game that GGG wants to play" as we have only a minor idea.
"I am now too addicted to that feeling of being kicked in the nuts when you die." ~CliveHowlitzer
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Postado porFreyar#2682em 30 de jan. de 2013 16:56:47
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Tandimonium escreveu:
*Puts on fire resist gear*
No. Stahp. There is no need for the system to change.
You cannot join a game that is designed a specific way, with people who enjoy the game because of it being that way, and say it has to change. This is NOT D3 or D2, it is PoE and it has a Semi-FFA loot system.
Looks at that. The very beginning of your speech and there is already a major problem. Apparently your under the assumption that people enjoy the game because of it being that way. That makes it sound like the people who aren't happy with the system are just a small portion of the population being loud about it. Thats obviously not even remotely true. There's far more discontent for this system. This system fails at getting people into public games and pushes the majority into single player or small parties. There are more than enough players unhappy with the system to reevaluate whether its worth having it only be this way or not.
Standard Forever
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Postado poriamstryker#5952em 30 de jan. de 2013 16:57:58
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Everyone calling for instanced loot:
Thanks for all the orbs,gems and rares!
Hopefully one of these times you'll rage out and get typekilled hammering out "WTF THATS MINE" after you didn't bother to pick up your stuff, I think that would be hilarious.
Or alternatively, you could ask someone for it back the first time you get ninja'd and leave immediately if they dont comply. Or start grabbing their stuff whenever possible. Or try and lead them into a room with a necro champ, 'Enemies cannot die' totem and a bunch of spark mages and block their way back out.Or play with your friends and share drops. Or play solo.
Plenty of fun choices that don't involve GGG bending the game over so you can pick up your stuff easier.
How about you guys adapt to the game instead of insisting that it be adapted to you?
"Wait, what did I just drink?" - Socrates
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Postado pormrmath#1493em 30 de jan. de 2013 16:58:49
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And why wouldn option for different loot inflate economy in your opinion ?
As i already stated, and what is my opinion is that both versions will have aproximately same number od droped items, in ffa ninja looters have advantage, and they pick up the items that in diferent system would fall to somebody else. How is the other way around inflating anything ?
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Postado poryastrux#7010em 30 de jan. de 2013 16:59:03
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Tandimonium escreveu:
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tinghshi escreveu:
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Tandimonium escreveu:
I cannot steal something from you that you do not own.
The fact that we don't own anything even though we all fought in the same party is just one of many reasons why this system is flawed.
Not flawed, you own what you pick up. There is ownership potential, you just gotta work for it, like everyone else.
And you've hit on the same issue yet again: it becomes a choice between helping the group (by killing stuff so that it doesn't kill you) or helping yourself (by stopping the attacks in order to pick up potentially better loot).
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Postado porpotaco#5192em 30 de jan. de 2013 16:59:30
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Tandimonium escreveu:
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KorganBloodaxe escreveu:
/sigh
1) Wikipedia did not make this game. Try again.
2) You shouldn't get mad because your slow and lose out on loot that was made easy for you to get.
3) The question asked in your #4 did not require facts. I answered with a no, that is a fact, and therefore your point is...pointless.
1) Maybe the devs should rename party to "Fuck you, I'll just take that"-group then. Calling something that is not cooperative a party is just wrong.
2) Then you shouldn't get mad when we call you ninja.
3) The point of the original 3) was that you cannot proof the facts you state either. Please don't change the topic again.
I beat cruel, ruthless and merciless and all I got were some maps.
XBone: the beginning of the end.
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Postado porKorganBloodaxe#5812em 30 de jan. de 2013 17:00:02
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