"This loot system is flawed and needs to change!!"

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SobeDragon escreveu:

This is a fun game. I don't mind the FFA loot system, or integrating another loot system as well. Maybe, two types of part groups, 1 where the FFA loot system is implemented and has the same drop rate as it currently has per player, and another, where a friendlier loot system is implemented and it have MAYBE 1/20 to 1/30th of a chance of dropping the same rare drop as in the FFA version. It could basically be an option in the party setup that could be decided upon, and people could choose which version they would prefer. Honestly, I think, in the end, more would decide on the FFA version. But thats me

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solistus escreveu:

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mrmath escreveu:

The insinuation is due to the fact that people expect to have a core system completely changed because a small vocal minority don't like it.

Lengthening the loot timer or adding options for the length, the two most popular suggestions, are hardly "having a core system completely changed". That's just hyperbole to avoid having a real discussion.

You assert that it's a "small vocal minority" who don't like FFA loot. In my experience, it's the exact opposite. A small, vocal minority like you will troll and insult anyone who brings up tthe topic. It's a very common complaint among new players in my experience.

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There's not any reason at all why people can't watch their drops and get their own loot, except inattention or laziness. Its your job to make sure you get your drops in a pub, not GGG's

It's not a job. It's a computer game. Why can we not have a rational conversation about whether that game would be more fun with a slight tweak to one group play mechanic, without you stringing together straw mans and insults?

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If you join a public party you better be watching like a hawk or your stuff WILL get picked up.

Right. Some of us think that is not a fun dynamic. I already told you I don't want to rehash this tired debate, but you felt the need to lay out exactly the kind of insulting arguments I was just complaining about, so I feel compelled to reply.

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The backlash is because the FFA system fits perfectly with the cut throat world they've created

Translation: I assert that my position is obviously the only correct view on the subject and that anyone who disagrees is stupid or doesn't understand the game as well.

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and the many fans of this style are sick to death of people demanding changes to perfectly functional systems because they lost out on something one way or another.

Translation: it doesn't bother me, so I'm gonna be an asshole to anyone it does bother. If you disagree with me, you are not a "real" fan of the genre.

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Choose your party carefully and watch your drops.

Yeah, no shit. That's what we all do now. Some of us think the game would be more fun if we didn't have to. Your solution is basically "don't use public groups", which kind of proves the point that public groups are not working very well. This is a beta, and it would be nice if we could have a polite conversation about tweaking things like this without being subjected to this kind of hostility.

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SobeDragon escreveu:

This is a fun game. I don't mind the FFA loot system, or integrating another loot system as well. Maybe, two types of part groups, 1 where the FFA loot system is implemented and has the same drop rate as it currently has per player, and another, where a friendlier loot system is implemented and it have MAYBE 1/20 to 1/30th of a chance of dropping the same rare drop as in the FFA version. It could basically be an option in the party setup that could be decided upon, and people could choose which version they would prefer. Honestly, I think, in the end, more would decide on the FFA version. But thats me

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Zenn3k escreveu:

Well YEAH, if you make the drop rates 1/20th of normal, nobody would ever use it...making FFA the "better" choice, clearly.

FFA loot discourages grouping, I know I personally refuse to group because of it.

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AhlenS escreveu:

For the love of god, FFA isn't hardcore please stop saying it is. That is a seriously illogical argument.

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You cannot join a game that is designed a specific way, with people who enjoy the game because of it being that way, and say it has to change. This is NOT D3 or D2, it is PoE and it has a Semi-FFA loot system.

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You have a lot of people who have donated to this game because they like it. Many donated because of the FFA loot system. How is it fair for them to donate to a cause such as this game and have a group of people come in and demand that the game they love be fundamentally changed to suit your wants?

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So, all of the excuses are BS. PoE does not want to spoon feed you gear. If you want to garuntee your gear drops are yours, play solo. If you want to play with a random group of asshats, then expect to not get all "your" loot.

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Tandimonium escreveu:

1. The timer is BS, and you should be happy it exists at all.
2. I have to assume that the reason there aren't as many people complaining, is that there isn't that many that feel there is a reason to. Maybe they are all too busy getting the loot you could be getting while writing on here. :)
3. It may not be a job, but it also isn't a daycare center, want your loot spoon fed? There are games for that.
4. Some of us like the fact that this game is different, and are slightly irritated you are trying to make it like all the other games on the market.
5. Same as 4.
6. This isn't WoW with instances that force you to group with people. This is a game that gives you the choice, and if you choose not to because you do not like the multi-player aspect, then awesome. But don't come trying to change the whole game because of it.

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Tandimonium escreveu:

If you come here naming off other games that you like better for their loot system, then go play them.

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Tandimonium escreveu:

it was not "Your" loot. You were just given a nice bonus to your chances of getting it, and failed for one excuse or another.

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Aurlon escreveu:

That doesn't mean I can't try to move it closer to my vision of a perfect game.

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mrmath escreveu:

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KorganBloodaxe escreveu:

How do you know people who dislike FFA are a minority?

Because in any game community the vast majority of people don't join the forums to complain. They play the game as is. This is no exception

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mrmath escreveu:

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KorganBloodaxe escreveu:

There's no reason instanced loot cannot be an option. We can have our cake and you can eat it too!

Except for re-allocating GGG's already strained resources away from something valuable to make a large data-related change that is being requested for purely stylistic reasons

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Tandimonium escreveu:

4. Some of us like the fact that this game is different, and are slightly irritated you are trying to make it like all the other games on the market.