[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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dragnmith1 escreveu:

got this enchant on my glove's at first didn't know what it did then i noticed my weapond was fighting next to my golem n yes only 1 golem at a time can be out that's any golem

War creates a copy of your weapon that shoots. It procc's on kill. It is safe vs. reflect (unlike Fury and Blades that can be quite dangerous - especially vs. Atziri). It is really the best enchant if reflect means something to you. If not go for Fury :)

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ViciousGhost escreveu:

When i follow mathils guide you linked, would you say i should stay with ranger or you think the shadow tree or scion tree would be good also for a beginner ? (mathil posted a tree for shadow, scion and duelist aswell thats why i ask).

Any class will work :) I would personally prefer Shadow or Ranger, so just stick with Deadeye. Then you do not have to level up again :)

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Frankenberry escreveu:

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many thanks for helping me understand how damage scaling/conversion works!

a few more questions :

1. is lightning arrow better than TS? for me atleast, LA clears packs faster than TS. TS's main advantage is its higher ST damage, so i usually dont even need to use blast rain.

2. what sort of bow to use at lvl 40-ish, if death's harp isnt available?
i have a few bows with ~60-170 damage, and lots of bi/tri - elemental damage. what sort of damage would scale the most? pdps or elemental damage?

3. what bow to use before i get my hands on a good harbinger bow?

4. is blood dance boots mandatory? or blood rage is enough for maintaining frenzy charges?

thanks in advance!

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kittenzmittenz escreveu:

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Frankenberry escreveu:

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many thanks for helping me understand how damage scaling/conversion works!

a few more questions :

1. is lightning arrow better than TS? for me atleast, LA clears packs faster than TS. TS's main advantage is its higher ST damage, so i usually dont even need to use blast rain.

2. what sort of bow to use at lvl 40-ish, if death's harp isnt available?
i have a few bows with ~60-170 damage, and lots of bi/tri - elemental damage. what sort of damage would scale the most? pdps or elemental damage?

3. what bow to use before i get my hands on a good harbinger bow?

4. is blood dance boots mandatory? or blood rage is enough for maintaining frenzy charges?

thanks in advance!

1) Lightning Arrow is faster for AoE Clearing while TS as you put it has better single target damage. Also I find TS a bit more versatile and safer to use. For more information look at the guide. Neversink made a good explanation on each skill ^^ I myself use TS since it gives me the opportunity to drop single target skill and have an Ice Shot with Curse on Hit instead.

2) Any phys bow will do. 3 options - 1) buy Death's Harp, 2) search for a bow below a certain level on poe.trade and get the one with highest pdps or 3) craft one with granite flasks + Tora 79% + quality 20%.

3) Any bow with high pdps. You can get a decent one for less than 10C. Look in the range between 260-300 pdps. Also Chin - Sol builds are great as a cheap starter build with lots of damage for farming currency. Requires slight respeccing.

4) Use blood rage. Blood Rage gives you attack speed and leech. Blood Dance boots costs you attack speed and has 0 resists / hp which means you will have to make up for this loss in other item slots leading to an overall less efficient character. In short: Do not use blood dance boots on a physical bow character (even with legacy).

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kittenzmittenz escreveu:

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Frankenberry escreveu:

-polite snip-

many thanks for helping me understand how damage scaling/conversion works!

a few more questions :

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1. is lightning arrow better than TS? for me atleast, LA clears packs faster than TS. TS's main advantage is its higher ST damage, so i usually dont even need to use blast rain.

LA is an amazing pack clearer, but poor single target. You need to use BR with that. TS has the benefit of being strong for both ST and AoE, as well as less aiming required, since the explosions do the bulk of your damage.

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2. what sort of bow to use at lvl 40-ish, if death's harp isnt available?
i have a few bows with ~60-170 damage, and lots of bi/tri - elemental damage. what sort of damage would scale the most? pdps or elemental damage?

Death's Harp can be had cheap, and is incredibly powerful to level with.

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3. what bow to use before i get my hands on a good harbinger bow?

Death's Harp stays strong for a long period of time. Once you start mapping, a decent Lioneye's Glare is also quite strong, and can fill in the gap between Harp and a good Harb.

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4. is blood dance boots mandatory? or blood rage is enough for maintaining frenzy charges?

thanks in advance!

No, you only need one source of Frenzy charge generation. Blood Dance, Blood Rage, Frenzy skill proper.

So, I've just come back to the game after a long absence, and decided to give this build a try as it looked like something I could play self-found that would still have decent power. I'm enjoying it quite a lot (and also enjoying no longer having latency issues), but I'm sure I'm doing a bunch of stuff wrong since it's been so long. I have run into a few specific questions, as well:

1. I've crafted what I think is an okay bow, and I'd like to put a second crafted mod on it (if this is a dumb idea, that's worth it to know as well). Unless I'm reading the XP chart wrong, I think the season will be over before I actually get Elreon to level 8. Is there another trick to leveling these guys, or do people just use others?

2. So far I haven't run into anything that's been too hard to kill, except Atziri. Reading the guide more carefully, the problem I had mainly seems to be using Tornado Shot in the split phase, which caused the mirror to annihilate me. I'm thinking of switch to Blast-Rain as soon as I can 5-link my bow, does this seem reasonable or will it hit the same type of issue with my Deadeye-Chain?

3. Is there any way to prefer enchants in the Labyrinth? It seems like it would take a large number of runs to get Tornado Shot as the skill in my helm, for example.

I'm really enjoying getting back into things, and if I'm horribly screwing up the build\gear I'd love to know that as well. Thanks for any help.

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Banach escreveu:

So, I've just come back to the game after a long absence, and decided to give this build a try as it looked like something I could play self-found that would still have decent power. I'm enjoying it quite a lot (and also enjoying no longer having latency issues), but I'm sure I'm doing a bunch of stuff wrong since it's been so long. I have run into a few specific questions, as well:

1. I've crafted what I think is an okay bow, and I'd like to put a second crafted mod on it (if this is a dumb idea, that's worth it to know as well). Unless I'm reading the XP chart wrong, I think the season will be over before I actually get Elreon to level 8. Is there another trick to leveling these guys, or do people just use others?

That's a very nice bow. If you have the currency you can Multimod it with level 8 Elreon, but you need to be aware that You've got 2 prefixes and 1 suffix already there. Multimod takes up one of the remaining suffix spots, so with multimod you can craft the flat physical, and either attack speed OR crit chance.

Generally you can find other players who are sharing master runs in /Global 820. Otherwise it's just doing dailies and hoping to see them while mapping.

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2. So far I haven't run into anything that's been too hard to kill, except Atziri. Reading the guide more carefully, the problem I had mainly seems to be using Tornado Shot in the split phase, which caused the mirror to annihilate me. I'm thinking of switch to Blast-Rain as soon as I can 5-link my bow, does this seem reasonable or will it hit the same type of issue with my Deadeye-Chain?

BR would be fine during split phase, especially with Concentrated Effect as a link.

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3. Is there any way to prefer enchants in the Labyrinth? It seems like it would take a large number of runs to get Tornado Shot as the skill in my helm, for example.

I'm really enjoying getting back into things, and if I'm horribly screwing up the build\gear I'd love to know that as well. Thanks for any help.

Sadly no, it's all random. Just gotta keep grinding it and hope for the best.

Thanks for the response, exactly what I needed.

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nEgativezEro89 escreveu:

That's a very nice bow. If you have the currency you can Multimod it with level 8 Elreon, but you need to be aware that You've got 2 prefixes and 1 suffix already there. Multimod takes up one of the remaining suffix spots, so with multimod you can craft the flat physical, and either attack speed OR crit chance.

Generally you can find other players who are sharing master runs in /Global 820. Otherwise it's just doing dailies and hoping to see them while mapping.

Didn't realize there where specific global channels, that should help a bunch.

Also didn't realize that Elreon meta-mod didn't count as one of the 6 allowed affixes. My plan was to add flat physical and crit, and I figured that would be all 6. I guess I'll still do that, and then figure out what random prefix I can add in the last spot. Either way, this feels like the biggest way to up my DPS for the higher maps.

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Sadly no, it's all random. Just gotta keep grinding it and hope for the best.

Cool, I'll try and run it a bunch next time I see a fast layout, then. Probably work on my boots and gloves first, just because I think the helm will take forever, and it's probably not even my final helm anyway.

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Banach escreveu:

Didn't realize there where specific global channels, that should help a bunch.

Also didn't realize that Elreon meta-mod didn't count as one of the 6 allowed affixes. My plan was to add flat physical and crit, and I figured that would be all 6. I guess I'll still do that, and then figure out what random prefix I can add in the last spot. Either way, this feels like the biggest way to up my DPS for the higher maps.

It does count as one of the affixes. As I said above, it uses a suffix spot. Your current bow has 2 prefix and 1 suffix on it. Add the multimod and you have 2 pre and 2 suf. Meaning you could craft 1 pre (flat physical) and 1 suffix (crit chance or attack speed).

Global 820 is a community created channel. The game will put you in Global 1 by default. 820 was created by forumers as a place to gather in game and help each other.

I see, don't know how I missed it in your first reply.

Thanks a bunch for the help, looking forward to getting Elreon leveled.

I'm going to multicraft my bow, which one is better as suffix, atk speed or crit chance?