[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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scrooge999 escreveu:

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nEgativezEro89 escreveu:

2b. Assuming you have 2 good prefixes, yes. I believe if you only 1 have prefix and you use Haku's mod, it will revert back to a magic item (not a 1-stat rare).

That's what I'm wondering about as well. In this thread

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1644229

I got the answer that scouring after using the Haku mod will keep the item rare even with only one prefix. So I would really like to know how it works (even though spending 2 Exalted is probably not worth it for a rare with only the Tyrannical/Merciless mod).

So all in all we need someone to test and verify this, any volounteers? :)

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slickepinnen escreveu:

Thank you for quick answer! So what I conclude is the following:

1. If I have a rare bow and only 1 prefix, crafting "Prefixes cannot be changed" and scour is a bad idea.

2. If my magic bow has, for example, only one mod which is Merciless, I can master craft a shitty suffix (like cold resi) before I regal to increase my chances of a better regal'd mod. It will also increase my chances to receive a prefix when regaling, which will allow me to get both attack speed AND global crit from Master mod.

Cheers :) Can't wait to reroll my bow! Its currently 167 %, 14 cold resi, 30 proj speed and 15-27 flat phys :)

1. Yes

2. Crafting the suffix would only prevent you from rolling that one bad mod. I guess it takes one undesired roll out of the pool. It won't increase your odds of getting a prefix though.

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slickepinnen escreveu:

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scrooge999 escreveu:

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nEgativezEro89 escreveu:

2b. Assuming you have 2 good prefixes, yes. I believe if you only 1 have prefix and you use Haku's mod, it will revert back to a magic item (not a 1-stat rare).

That's what I'm wondering about as well. In this thread

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1644229

I got the answer that scouring after using the Haku mod will keep the item rare even with only one prefix. So I would really like to know how it works (even though spending 2 Exalted is probably not worth it for a rare with only the Tyrannical/Merciless mod).

So all in all we need someone to test and verify this, any volounteers? :)

That's wrong. I've made the mistake before with a Harbninger. It turned blue.

Also, found this on reddit:

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If you have an item with 1 prefix and 1 suffix, you craft "prefixes can't be changed" on it (which is a suffix) and you scour it, the two suffixes will be removed and the item turns blue again, because only one affix remains. I know, because I made that mistake two days ago.

He has to craft multi mod on it, then another prefix, then prefixes can't be changed and then scour so he is left with 2 affixes, which leaves the item in a rare state. He then can remove the crafted prefix via masters and is left with his one stat rare. Master removal doesn't downgrade the rarity, but using a scour does.

So technically you can craft multimod (2ex) AND Prefixes can't be changed (2ex) and craft a second prefix, Scour, and be left with a 1 mod rare upon removing the crafted prefix from the crafting bench. But that's 4 ex invested just to get a clean slate. 2 more ex to get multimod again to master craft the rest.

6 exalted is a lot to put into that, so it better be a merciless roll if you're going to sink that kind of currency into it. Personally, I'd just reroll it until I saw another merciless roll.

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nEgativezEro89 escreveu:

2. Crafting the suffix would only prevent you from rolling that one bad mod. I guess it takes one undesired roll out of the pool. It won't increase your odds of getting a prefix though.

So what you are telling me is that the craft algorithm is something like this on a rare item when you exalt it:


If number of prefix or suffix < 3
-----50 % chance of next exalted mod going to suffix or prefix
-----If mod turns out to be suffix
----------choose suffix from remaining pool
-----If mod turns out to be prefix
----------choose prefix from remaining pool


So this means that if I have a rare item with only 2 prefixes and I exalt it, it is 50 % chance that it rolls a third prefix? I have always thought that it randomizes between all possible mods, not first determining if it will be a prefix or suffix and then choosing the mod.

I hope what I said makes sense :) Once again ty!

Hello fav here...
First off nice guide. I see alot of stuff i can learn from. U really explain everything.

Ive been building a tornado shot shadow and id say its been going well. End bosses take long but they are doable. I just lvled from 60 to 70 in docks and was now planing on rushing threw act 4 and then jumping into maps to start finding good gear or faster currency to buy if needed. A kind player once gifted me alot of them so thats cool.

I just got a 5 link chest piece which sucks but i wanted that link to boost my TS. I come up to 5k dps atm which isnt bad compared to what i fight againt. I clear fast and dont die. When i look up other builds like mine i see u all with +100k dps. Now i know my gear isnt even close to being great but i get the feeling that my dps should be much higher. So id like to ask for someone to look at my stuff and tell me if i need to make some big changes in my gear before starting maps or if its ok to begin with.



Oh and buying gear isnt doable atm since i only have 3 chaos.

Hello Krorkus!

You are doin two things wrong with the skill gems which will boost ur damage quite a bit!

In ur chest you have TS - WED - PTL - GMP - FA. Drop the FA and put PPAD (Physical Projectile Attack Damage), this will increase your dps a lot.

You also do not use any auras. On my ranger I am running Hatred - Herald of Lightning - Curse on Hit - Assassin's Mark. The Hatred and Herald of lightning will increase your dps on the paper. The herald of light can also apply curses, why it is good to link it with curse on hit and Assassin.

A big portion of our DPS comes from Frenzy charges. If you followed this guide you have taken nodes increasing ur frenzy charges, as well as helping the bandit Kraitlyn. You need to make sure you use this Advantage! The easiest way to do this for you is to get urself a Bloodrage gem. The buff Bloodrage last 11 seconds and refreshes each time you kill a monster, so it will be up almost all the time. Bloodrage also give you frenzy charges when you kill monsters, something which boosts ur DPS and speed a lot.

To conclude, change the FA gem to a PPAD in your chest and get yourself a Hatred and Herald of Lightning gem. Also get urself a Bloodrage gem to make sure you utilise the frenzy charges you have at ur disposal!

I see that you have many spells linked in your items.... burning arrow, blade vortex, lightning arrow etc. If you like Tornado shot, get one more single target spell like puncture or blast rain and stick with that, the other gems just take up space from good stuff you could use. You should read the gem section of the guide once again :)

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Krorkus escreveu:

I just got a 5 link chest piece which sucks but i wanted that link to boost my TS. I come up to 5k dps atm which isnt bad compared to what i fight againt. I clear fast and dont die. When i look up other builds like mine i see u all with +100k dps. Now i know my gear isnt even close to being great but i get the feeling that my dps should be much higher. So id like to ask for someone to look at my stuff and tell me if i need to make some big changes in my gear before starting maps or if its ok to begin with.

In addition to what slickepinnen said (though I prefer Herald of Ashes to Herald of Thunder + Curse on Hit) there are four pieces of gear you definitely want to replace. The first three are your belt, amulet and prismatic ring which give you very little (though I understand if you want to add some quantity and quality but it will lower your defense and damage). The fourth one is your bow. If I assume correctly that your build relies on critical strikes then the low base crit chance of your bow is really hurting your damage (a Harbinger can have 7.5% without additional crit chance and go up to over 9%). Since you're on Standard and don't have currency you can shoot me a message @scroogeranger and I'll give you a better one for free if I'm online.

Also a movement skill like Blink Arrow (+ Faster Attacks + Faster Projectiles) is nice to have as well and a life-saver when opening strongboxes.

I just started to use TS. Was usin LA and for rares BA. but wont use them anymore...
I have ppad but didnt try to test it with FA.

So i get rid of LA and BA. Dont use Blade vortex either.... damn im waisting alot of space...

Well im using a CWDT combo for curse and def... thought that was enough for now...

Would u say im map ready after makin these changes? Maybe ill get lucky and find something sick while clearing act4.

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scrooge999 escreveu:

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Krorkus escreveu:

I just got a 5 link chest piece which sucks but i wanted that link to boost my TS. I come up to 5k dps atm which isnt bad compared to what i fight againt. I clear fast and dont die. When i look up other builds like mine i see u all with +100k dps. Now i know my gear isnt even close to being great but i get the feeling that my dps should be much higher. So id like to ask for someone to look at my stuff and tell me if i need to make some big changes in my gear before starting maps or if its ok to begin with.

In addition to what slickepinnen said (though I prefer Herald of Ashes to Herald of Thunder + Curse on Hit) there are four pieces of gear you definitely want to replace. The first three are your belt, amulet and prismatic ring which give you very little (though I understand if you want to add some quantity and quality but it will lower your defense and damage). The fourth one is your bow. If I assume correctly that your build relies on critical strikes then the low base crit chance of your bow is really hurting your damage (a Harbinger can have 7.5% without additional crit chance and go up to over 9%). Since you're on Standard and don't have currency you can shoot me a message @scroogeranger and I'll give you a better one for free if I'm online.

Also a movement skill like Blink Arrow (+ Faster Attacks + Faster Projectiles) is nice to have as well and a life-saver when opening strongboxes.

I switched a bunch to find better gear. Hasent worked so good though. Ive been looking for a new bow for a while now. Cant find any and buying is so not doable.

I got myself a blink arrow gem but was waiting for the next upgrade on gear to roll the right sockets. Im not having problems with boxes yet. I place my decoy totem, click and rund out of the spawned packs.

If u dont have a problem with givin me a bow then id really be thankfull for that. Its gonna have to w8 a few days since im working outwards.

Hi, have used this build (with some changes ...) for a long time - only problem I had from time to time was reflect or damage-spikes that 1-shot me.
So I wanted to stay a bit more safer and changed some items I was using. Dropped my Eva-Chest for a leg. Lightning-Coil and the Rat's Nest for a rare Helmet with life and Res. Cause I was doing enough damage to 1-shot the most mobs I dropped Hatred and Herald of Ash as well and took Purity of Lightning (interacts perfect with the Lightning Coil and against Ele-reflect cause I'm using phys-to-Lightn.-Gem) and Grace (liked the extra-evasion).
Now I'm on my way to level 95 and mapping feels safer than before.

Here my current gear (~5.700 life, 75k Tornado-Shot [with 5 Frenzy], 95% Crit-chance, 75/75/79 Res):



And here my tree (dropped some Frenzy-notes and took more Crit and Jewels):

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIDAABeBS0GIwguCIkNjQ-rES8WvxeWGYoZjiF2I9Mj9iSLJP0mlS5TMHEwfDH6MpQ2PTdMN9Q51DpCQzFHfkp9S1dLeEz_TZJOKlFHVUtaGluvXWhfsGHiYqxlTWegbIxvnnBSdO11y3X9dvd3B3rvexR9dX8CfyuDCYRvhMWGzocTh3aJ04w2jX2Nfo2Sjb-PYJAKlQWXBprxm42btZyknaqgn6Gko4qm4KfUtUi3trvjvTa-p8DjwTPDM8M6xKLHncpKyqnTb9N-1CPUQtnG2sHdqOHb45_nVOmY6mLrY-0_7YPuDu968bP3PfzF_rr-yP_e

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el_Nino_69 escreveu:

Hi, have used this build (with some changes ...) for a long time - only problem I had from time to time was reflect or damage-spikes that 1-shot me.
So I wanted to stay a bit more safer and changed some items I was using. Dropped my Eva-Chest for a leg. Lightning-Coil and the Rat's Nest for a rare Helmet with life and Res. Cause I was doing enough damage to 1-shot the most mobs I dropped Hatred and Herald of Ash as well and took Purity of Lightning (interacts perfect with the Lightning Coil and against Ele-reflect cause I'm using phys-to-Lightn.-Gem) and Grace (liked the extra-evasion).
Now I'm on my way to level 95 and mapping feels safer than before.

Here my current gear (~5.700 life, 75k Tornado-Shot [with 5 Frenzy], 95% Crit-chance, 75/75/79 Res):

And here my tree (dropped some Frenzy-notes and took more Crit and Jewels):

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIDAABeBS0GIwguCIkNjQ-rES8WvxeWGYoZjiF2I9Mj9iSLJP0mlS5TMHEwfDH6MpQ2PTdMN9Q51DpCQzFHfkp9S1dLeEz_TZJOKlFHVUtaGluvXWhfsGHiYqxlTWegbIxvnnBSdO11y3X9dvd3B3rvexR9dX8CfyuDCYRvhMWGzocTh3aJ04w2jX2Nfo2Sjb-PYJAKlQWXBprxm42btZyknaqgn6Gko4qm4KfUtUi3trvjvTa-p8DjwTPDM8M6xKLHncpKyqnTb9N-1CPUQtnG2sHdqOHb45_nVOmY6mLrY-0_7YPuDu968bP3PfzF_rr-yP_e

If you want to push for 100 you can go for an even safer setup.
Inspect my Perandus character for inspiration :)

My character can kill all content including Vaal Temple, Core Malachai, Twin T15 and Über Atziri.