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" Very good point right there. I was thinking about that dilemma and came to a similar solution: - reduce damage output of mobs by about 50% - increase mob health by about 100% - increase unique and rare mob health by another 25% - reduce ranged aoe damage slightly - leave ranged single target damage alone - buff melee aoe damage slightly - buff melee single target damage massively (like 50% or more). Some support gems make this a bit complicated, but that can be worked around. If the end result is that adding LMP or similar stuff to single target spells is not a no-brainer decision anymore, I say mission accomplished. The overall point of these changes would be to a) give melee, especially single target melee, a niche as the only abilities that could reliable 1- or 2-shot most normal mobs as well as a much stronger bossfight abilities. I gives builds a strong reason to run two different or at least two differently supported abilities as their main attacks and actually use both on a regular basis. Additionally, damage intake would be less spiky overall, the gameplay difference between offensive and defensive builds would be more pronounced and tactical positioning abilities would become stronger, because combats are not over in one second anyways. |
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" Like I said already, I've begged for them to bring the damage down and they haven't so they seem to want it there so we need to find solutions considering. With that, I think there needs to be DR and life given to melee builds. Something like +X% life when using 1h/2h/dw or a keystone that improves DR depending on how far or close you are to a mob (although a melee toon taking damage from a range mob would get boned). I do think just like their increased damage for certain weapons and weapon types their should be EHP, especially in a classless tree as the only difference really is being a caster, projectile user or melee. Finished 17th in Rampage - Peaked at 11th
Finished 18th in Torment/Bloodline 1mo Race - peaked at 9th Null's Inclination Build 2.1.0 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1559063 Summon Skeleton 1.3 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1219856 |
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GGG are hesitant bring the damage down because they always want a risk of dying and they dont want facetanking in the game to be too easy
Its a reason why armor is they way it is for example Última edição por deteego#6606 em 23 de mar. de 2013 00:54:36
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RE: Progression
I agree. It seems grinding in act 3 isn't really an option due to the maze-like map sets. I would like to see a mid-range set redesigned into a more linear style. Market should be a 1-way winding path or some such with the statue boss near the end. RE: Mana I really don't like the way the passive tree is set up for mana. All classes need mana just like all classes need EHP. Why then don't all classes have adequate mana near their starting areas? Mana leach is useless until you start doing really good damage. Clarity helps but also requires a large pool of mana and mana regen% to really shine. This all combines to pigeon hole certain classes into things like blood magic or EB...Destroys build diversity and makes for boring replay value. RE: Melee Agree 100%. I would also like to see more reflex based defensive skills with melee squarely in mind. RE: EHP Agree. The lines between life and ES are starting to blur big time. Take away ES's recharge and they are virtually the same. RE: Keystones I agree, somewhat. Some of the keystones do need a rework to bring them in line with the plus/minus theme of the other keystones. GGG needs to be very careful with these though. Buff them too much and they become mandatory. Nerf them too much and they are just more clutter on the passive tree that no one who knows what they are doing would ever bother with. RE: Attributes I don't agree that they all give EHP. Dex gives you dodge and accuracy. You can argue that dodge is a form of damage mitigation but when it fails you take the full amount of damage (as I understand it). When this is combined with the lack of HP nodes near the heart of the DEX tree it makes dex look really weak compared to the other two attributes. I agree STR is king, but I always felt DEX was the weakest attribute of the three. RE: Class Balancing I don't have a problem with the classes having a set of 'favored builds'. But, as you say, this 'set' is limited to just a few possible choices for most of them. The latest update to the Duelist's tree has managed to make that class relevant but only if you are going dual-wield/2-handed physical. I don't have a problem with the Duelist being the 'King of Dual Wielding' but they should have better passive clusters for that then any other class. I think that a possible solution to this could be to make more of the local class passives that are very specific, i.e. '% to swords' or '% to dual wielding' should be more powerful than the less restrictive 'one-handed' and '2-handed' passives. RE: Maps I've only run a few maps here and there. I get a character to the point where the leveling is starting to slow way down and I get bored and start a new character. Personally I don't think leveling should slow to a crawl until around level 88-90 (100 max) but I understand that there is a whole other act to be added to the game and the leveling process will speed up when it is added. BTW, the few maps I did run didn't give me much of a reward in the way of items and if you die, even once, they net you a negative in XP. Not exactly the post-end game content I was hoping for..... |
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" Well they achived their goal .No one facetanks anything because every top HC player plays ranged IGN Nordes
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" Even his wordings sound like whining you don't understand his point as somebody who plays much and seems to like MMO. PoE became a MMO like Grinfestival. To get many drops you need a party/following fillers(enjoy followbots GGG) Non overpowered builds need over 200 hits to kill a defensive regen mob. It requires 6-8 times more timeinvestment to find a single map in merciless compared to closed beta. A MMO player certainly won't flinch on those changes. An Action RPG player gets pissed. Now imagine an common player gets a map/value item and somebody steals it because his path gets blocked via Frostwall. Then he has to go offline. Result nothing found and he becomes pissed. He posts reactional post what he doesn't like and somebody like you even provokes him with such an answer. How big is the chance that he leaves? " You like MMO, don't you? The thing mobs don't need is more life. They need less life and they have to be more dangerous. The reason you die is because your flasks don't refill because of high mob HP. Str nodes need to add a reduction multiplier, so instead of 40% you end up with 65%. Granites should grant % Reduction instead of defense. This is far too abuseable by Dex and Int classes. Each attribute should yield life. Str 5 life 10 str Dex 3 Life 10 dex Int 2 life 10 int Str got: Multiplier, Life Damage Dex got Life, Evasion Accuracy Int got life, Mana, ES, " If you want I can give you a gem combination and a skilltree for viaable melee play but you can be sure it works but it is slow as hell. " What do you expect? Prelod: Ce Reviver, Frozen Orb, Leap/WW. It's always like that. D2 1.09: Nova Orb, Bowazon, WW barb. D2 1.10+: Hammerdin, Javazon, Blizzard/Meteor sorc(There are some more which require skillers like stormer druids but they aren't that efficient without good items) If you want most experience you use simple builds everybody can use. Imagine there would be a race with predefined skills and gems. Many racers would fail really hard. |
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Initially, I wanted to post a stand-alone topic regarding Endurance charges and Enduring Cry but I decided this topic is now gathering lots of good input and attention so I post it here instead.
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Playing melee class in Path of Exile can be frustrating and unrewarding experience at times. It is possible to build functional melee character but the amount of chores connected with such endeavor is way too high in my opinion.
I would like to focus on one of the more annoying requirements that are placed in front of melee character/player in order to succeed: managing Endurance charges. The way Endurance charges interact with other means of mitigation, and overall lack of other solid mitigation means in PoE, Endurance charges are simply required in order to survive in this game as a melee character taking hits regularly. The fact that there are only 2 ways to generate Endurance charges, one limited by CD and the other requiring to kill monster with a chance to obtain a charge, is very limiting to playstyle. Adding to the hassle of acquiring Endurance charges, they also have limited duration, which is rather short as well. There are other classes that utilize charges, Frenzy or Power, however, the major difference is that those other 2 mentioned charge types are used for offense and offense only. Endurance charges on the other hand play pivotal role in melee's ability to survive in melee combat for even shortest of time. Not having Endurance charges up means every melee character is in permanent threat of dieing. Main culprit of this situation is in my opinion Enduring Cry. This skill is dysfunctional and unintuitive in its use and purpose. Cooldown prevents quick acquisition of Endurance charges. The wording of the skill is catastrophic--I admit that after playing PoE for several months I still do not understand it. Finally, the fact you can only acquire Endurance charge by using Enduring Cry in vicinity of monsters is the final insult. My suggestions to change Enduring Cry are following: 1. Add additional functionality to Enduring Cry that would allow acquisition of full stack of endurance charges on a prolonged internal cooldown. This should only activate whenever player has zero Endurance Charges and could have 45 to 60 seconds internal cooldown--internal cooldown would not impact standard 4 second cast cooldown. 2. Change Enduring Cry to a passive buff similar to Bloodrage and still maintain its original functionality of acquiring Endurance Charges. The buff should refresh Endurance Charges timer whenever player is hit by melee/AOE ability. Side benefit would be that such buff could be modified by support gems and passive talents to last longer--not the charges themselves. 3. Additionally to one of the above changes, I would love to see duration of Endurance charges to be increased. I base this on the fact that while there are other types of charges, only Endurance charges are required by melee characters to keep at all times. The rest is just reduction to damage output of impacted character without any harsher repercussions. |
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" What does the game type have to do with mob HP? In my example, mob damage output per encounter would be roughly the same (half damage over double the time) and flask charge generation would be exactly the same (same number of mobs). Since player HP would not drop as quickly as currently, dropping mobs as quickly would not be needed. " You cannot do something like that in a vacuum. This would change the relative worth of attributes majorly and break a clean concept (every main stat gives 2 secondary stats) while at it. If you want to make Str and Life nodes less mandatory, then up the base health (level 0 and per level and perhaps even that on items and flat +hp nodes) a bit and reduce the percentage health nodes. But that is a point that is mostly unrelated to the melee vs ranged and damage spikyness issue. " For one, such a race could be pretty fun. Second, the entire point of balancing a game is to make as many game elements viable in as broad of a gameplay spectrum as possible. If that is not the point in your eyes, you are in the wrong place. Última edição por Stormfox#3549 em 23 de mar. de 2013 06:16:35
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" I think its not that GGG wants to make factanking impossible, just that you need to commit to it in your build Which is a fine proposition, but by the same token you cant just scale health and damage. Other aRGPS can get away with it because they have flat DR, that isn't the case with PoE |
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