PoE --> Forum Gold

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wiggin escreveu:

P2W: You can pay with many things, it doesn't really have to be cash. You pay with something outside the game to get power inside the game. Sometimes the time you put to get this outside source of power is represented by cash and goes directly to the company. The situation inside the game doesn't change in any way if you pay with 'your time'. It is still the same.

Edit: (there was some wall of text but lets keep it simple)
There would be another currency beside orbs. It would keep coming to the market from events. If people used this to buy orbs and then after event more FG appeared...

Anyway, I think I wrote just enough. Peace.

That isn't pay to win. If people can work for it in game, then it isn't pay to win, end of discussion.

I'm afraid you'll have to come up with another name for this proposed currency. We already have GGGold, and I have quite a bit of it (as do some of you) and I'm waiting to spend it all on cosmetics and other non pay-to-win goodies.

I have nothing else to contribute to this discussion other than it's very interesting, a little depressing to me and probably won't happen.

I'm really enjoying the discussion, though, so thanks for that. :)

Having some kind of forum gold here won't drag any existing users away from D2JSP. They've already got their forum gold, and they'll stick to the site where they've got the currency. Yep, that means the guys who run bots (let's not forget what D2JSP was originally about) already have an advantage over other players in terms of item acquisition.

I'm not too sure where I stand on the idea. On one side, it can give certain players a big advantage over others, on the other side, it's a really useful trade system.

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wiggin escreveu:

P2W: You can pay with many things, it doesn't really have to be cash. You pay with something outside the game to get power inside the game. Sometimes the time you put to get this outside source of power is represented by cash and goes directly to the company. The situation inside the game doesn't change in any way if you pay with 'your time'. It is still the same.

Edit: (there was some wall of text but lets keep it simple)
There would be another currency beside orbs. It would keep coming to the market from events. If people used this to buy orbs and then after event more FG appeared...

Anyway, I think I wrote just enough. Peace.

OK so lets be specific:

1. When orbs are awarded as prizes...this is an injection of currency from "outside" the game. Monsters aren't dropping that currency. So you are saying that is pay to win?

Makes no sense to me.

I'm talking about players "work2win"

There is no pay involved because they don't buy forumgold. They earn it. Through helping the community or doing well in events. If that is pay to win then then this game is already pay2win? *scratches head*

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TEBird escreveu:

1. When orbs are awarded as prizes...this is an injection of currency from "outside" the game. Monsters aren't dropping that currency. So you are saying that is pay to win?

Makes no sense to me.

I'm talking about players "work2win"

There is no pay involved because they don't buy forumgold. They earn it. Through helping the community or doing well in events. If that is pay to win then then this game is already pay2win? *scratches head*

Yes, the orbs from events are kind of bad for economy as well. The upside is, people will most likely use them because getting some wealth at once has that psychological effect and if the situation gets out of hand anyway, drop rates will go down. There is this natural orb sink and the impact, even though I understand is not completely positive, will be a lot less drastic than some universal currency injection would have.

It is not pay to win, however, because these orbs are exclusively from the game, you can't simply write some guide or do any outside of game activity to earn them.

If you are a normal person, you have to work for real money (or someone else worked to give you that money). Then you can buy power in p2w games. You basically work for power. Now you just remove the real money part, but the time spent outside the game still buys you power inside the game.

I like the idea.

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wiggin escreveu:

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TEBird escreveu:

1. When orbs are awarded as prizes...this is an injection of currency from "outside" the game. Monsters aren't dropping that currency. So you are saying that is pay to win?

Makes no sense to me.

I'm talking about players "work2win"

There is no pay involved because they don't buy forumgold. They earn it. Through helping the community or doing well in events. If that is pay to win then then this game is already pay2win? *scratches head*

Yes, the orbs from events are kind of bad for economy as well. The upside is, people will most likely use them because getting some wealth at once has that psychological effect and if the situation gets out of hand anyway, drop rates will go down. There is this natural orb sink and the impact, even though I understand is not completely positive, will be a lot less drastic than some universal currency injection would have.

It is not pay to win, however, because these orbs are exclusively from the game, you can't simply write some guide or do any outside of game activity to earn them.

If you are a normal person, you have to work for real money (or someone else worked to give you that money). Then you can buy power in p2w games. You basically work for power. Now you just remove the real money part, but the time spent outside the game still buys you power inside the game.

So you believe players who spend time helping other members of the community with issues like, software problems so they can play the game, class guides, quality FAQs, that these are "outside the game?"

Seems like a very narrow view but ok lets say we remove all other methods for getting PoE forum gold besides playing in league events. You do well you win forum gold. There is no other way to get it.

If playing events in the game client and doing well rewards you with forum gold that would resolve the last of your listed concerns if I'm not mistaken.

I think there are people who will help community without getting anything for it.

I believe there is no point of rewarding people with FG since we have different currency system already that actually avoids using universal currency (aka gold) for a reason.

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wiggin escreveu:

I think there are people who will help community without getting anything for it.

I KNOW there are.

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wiggin escreveu:

I think there are people who will help community without getting anything for it.

I believe there is no point of rewarding people with FG since we have different currency system already that actually avoids using universal currency (aka gold) for a reason.

I also think there are people who will help the community without getting anything for it.

I think the difference between us is, I think it would be nice if those people got a little reward (not even a big one) for putting in the time to help others.

And your answer takes us full circle. You say there is no point let me repeat a few points:

1. It is a prize that could be paid out that doesn't effect the net amount of power in the game. (I give you 5 forum gold for finishing 5th in an event and all you can do is attempt to go buy what already exists or make a couple of posts look cooler.)

On the other hand I give you 10 chaos orbs and you roll them on a rare and now we have a higher level of power in the game than we had before.

My system actually, ironically considering your fears, reduces power/item inflation in the game over time.

2. It is a reference point for players who would be more familiar or more comfortable with some kind of gold system.

3. Players are going to use forum gold. If not here then elsewhere...so why not create a system that helps the members stay here instead of going to external sources?

4. Yes GGG avoided in game gold because its too easy to bot/farm.

You cannot bot or farm forum gold. Not if it is set up correctly.

forum gold does not = in game gold. Either in terms of game mechanics or game economics.

It is important to understand that.