PoE --> Forum Gold

But I already answered those! I'll keep it short.

The point is, if I find something to share, I will rather make a guide because I want to, not because I get something for it. If you introduce rewards, we will get many mediocre or bad guides and such because people will want to earn fg. The rewards are double-edged.

1. Not really, because you let people trade FG. Don't make it tradeable and it is all good.
2. Yeah but ask beta testers whether they want gold or not. The people who demand gold are newcomers not used to current system.
3. Because we should separate that grey zone completely, not letting people use this damaging system 'legally'.
4. I think they were trying to avoid all the ailments of game gold economy (mostly inflation, but also the psychological impact of gold grinding, need of some gold sinks) connected to it, not just bots.

I'm not so sure if forum gold wouldn't have similar problems once forum trading is introduced. There would be continuosly increasing amount of gold with just so little benefit other than trading (the perks).

Ok I havn't read this entire thread, just the early pages and skimmed the rest but I think that people are confusing the meaning of 'Pay To Win'

As far as I understand it Pay To Win is where you can only acquire the high level items in the game by purchasing them with real currency (ie if GGG started offering high level or unique items in the microtransaction store that could not be found for free in game), In the PoE model this is currenly impossible as every available item in the game is freely available to anyone with enough luck to have it drop.

Therefore just because someone may be able to purchase a high level item off someone else (either via item trading ingame, through some sort of forum gold system, or even with real currency over paypal etc.) does not mean that the game is pay to win as that item is not going to be anything better than can be found in the game for free.

That's just my understanding of the concept, please feel free to correct me if I'm way off the mark.

tl;dr; version - Buying high level items off other players is not 'Pay To Win' unless the said items can only be purchased from GGG with real currency and are unavailable in game otherwise.

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BlazEm escreveu:

Ok I havn't read this entire thread, just the early pages and skimmed the rest but I think that people are confusing the meaning of 'Pay To Win'

As far as I understand it Pay To Win is where you can only acquire the high level items in the game by purchasing them with real currency (ie if GGG started offering high level or unique items in the microtransaction store that could not be found for free in game), In the PoE model this is currenly impossible as every available item in the game is freely available to anyone with enough luck to have it drop.

Therefore just because someone may be able to purchase a high level item off someone else (either via item trading ingame, through some sort of forum gold system, or even with real currency over paypal etc.) does not mean that the game is pay to win as that item is not going to be anything better than can be found in the game for free.

That's just my understanding of the concept, please feel free to correct me if I'm way off the mark.

tl;dr; version - Buying high level items off other players is not 'Pay To Win' unless the said items can only be purchased from GGG with real currency and are unavailable in game otherwise.

That is correct. People are sadly abusing the "p2w" idiom.

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BlazEm escreveu:

Buying high level items off other players [with cash] is not 'Pay To Win'

While that doesn't make the game itself Pay2Win, that player has certainly Paid to Win.


The OP has stated that his re-imagining of the ForumGold concept for PoE would preclude being able to purchase any for $ from GGG.

That's fine, because then the game wouldn't be P2W.


The OP States that he envisions two ways to inject new ForumGold into the economy:

1) GGG awards players for participating/winning events
2) GGG awards players for contributing on the forums


I don't think it's worth even mentioning method #1, since since those players are already awarded with in-game currency/items.

He has a point with the 2nd method... I just don't see it worth the fuss, because there's plenty of guides and helpful people in all video games -- and none of them ever had to be rewarded to do it.


My question is:


What is it exactly that makes you believe that PoE is so different from any other game ever made, that makes it so that this community needs a reward system in order to have helpful posts/threads/guides?

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Daemonjax escreveu:

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BlazEm escreveu:

Buying high level items off other players [with cash] is not 'Pay To Win'

While that doesn't make the game itself Pay2Win, that player has certainly Paid to Win.


The OP has stated that his re-imagining of the ForumGold concept for PoE would preclude being able to purchase any for $ from GGG.

That's fine, because then the game wouldn't be P2W.


The OP States that he envisions two ways to inject new ForumGold into the economy:

1) GGG awards players for participating/winning events
2) GGG awards players for contributing on the forums


I don't think it's worth even mentioning method #1, since since those players are already awarded with in-game currency/items.

He has a point with the 2nd method... I just don't see it worth the fuss, because there's plenty of guides and helpful people in all video games -- and none of them ever had to be rewarded to do it.


My question is:


What is it exactly that makes you believe that PoE is so different from any other game ever made, that makes it so that this community needs a reward system in order to have helpful posts/threads/guides?

I don't believe the players in PoE are different. I think they will make great contributions even without being rewarded. I think the PoE developers are different than the vast majority of gaming companies in that they go much further to treat customers well, keep them informed, and give them fun rewards.

We don't need pizza, ice cream, video games, amusement parks, movies, comic books, sports....but we have them because they are fun.

I've never once suggested in this thread that players wouldn't make great contributions just to be nice. Rather, I've suggested wouldn't it be great to do nice things for nice people?

As far as people putting out lots of bad guides and info to try and get forum gold. I would link it to the number of upvotes vs. downvotes a post gets.

1 gold = 100 silver = 1,000 copper

each 10 upvotes gets you 1 copper. Each 10 downvotes costs you 1 copper.

So we could be talking very very small amounts, but the psychological effect would probably impact the community in a positive way.

Additionally, people who spam bad guides onto the forums, will get downvoted, and lose gold...hmmm sounds like we will see less worthless junk on the forums, not more ^_^

My estimation of the community is this: The majority of players who make great contributions would continue to do so, some of the trolls, spammers, and forum abusers would continue to do what they do, and some would change in order to try and benefit from the forum gold system.


Idk if you have visited other arpg forums...but um...it isn't pretty. And just wait for open beta my friend...and you will see what I mean *_*

Idk call me crazy I guess.

You make a good case for a forum reputation system -- which doesn't need to have anything to do with ForumGold.