Please explain the "Make an offer" mentality...

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Schinski escreveu:
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damaxxerous escreveu:
"i have a price in mind, for every of my items. if the offer matches with this price = deal, if not = ignore. you make it too complicated."

you make it complicated and bring down the quality of the community by ignoring. you have some ego problems.

some more words? they taste sooo sweet :)


Aaw, does the troll desperately need attention?

Oh wait, I just... crap.


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reboticon escreveu:




Please explain why that ring is so good in your eyes. I really don't get it. I don't vendor rings, except unidentified.


I will;
10 ele resi overall - nice but nothing spectacular - 0,5
25 ele damage - crucial for ele damage builds like (now unpopular) ele cleaver or (now very powerful) ele archer. In short top stat for every ele damage character. - 1,0
6% att. speed - always good, always popular, pure dps output - 1,0
life regen - irrelevant - 0,0
2% life leech - always useful, always good price, on many if not most characters. - 1,5

Overall usefulness index would be 3 which is pretty damn good. Out of four stats that ring has three potentially interesting stats.

For example
good resi roll - 0,5
good life roll - 1,0

that is how I value most of rings, and I agree that they are pretty hard to appraise well.



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Thorien_Kell escreveu:
I often search for specific class item (like ring with several nice stats) and guys want 20-30 chaos to 3 EX or more for them. Then next guy says "ehh idk, 2 chaos?" And I say "cmon, 1,5 :)" Last time I've bought this for 1,5 chaos



So you're saying that even in a situation where you think you're already ripping the guy off for a huge amount, you will whine to try to get a better price?

Man, this thread contains so many impressive people!
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Thorien_Kell escreveu:


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reboticon escreveu:




Please explain why that ring is so good in your eyes. I really don't get it. I don't vendor rings, except unidentified.


I will;
10 ele resi overall - nice but nothing spectacular - 0,5
25 ele damage - crucial for ele damage builds like (now unpopular) ele cleaver or (now very powerful) ele archer. In short top stat for every ele damage character. - 1,0
6% att. speed - always good, always popular, pure dps output - 1,0
life regen - irrelevant - 0,0
2% life leech - always useful, always good price, on many if not most characters. - 1,5

Overall usefulness index would be 3 which is pretty damn good. Out of four stats that ring has three potentially interesting stats.

For example
good resi roll - 0,5
good life roll - 1,0

that is how I value most of rings, and I agree that they are pretty hard to appraise well.





Thanks, that mostly make sense, but if someone is an ele character to the point that 25% ele damage is OP for them, wouldn't the 2% leech be a waste, since it only applies to physical damage?
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"Greetings mam, you have nice sneekers in your shopwindow, I'll tell you what, I'll give you 50 bucks for them! Sounds fair?"

"Hey bro, so you're selling your mercedes? Would you part with it for 12K dollars? What do you say?"

"OK lady, I have bread, bottle of coke, spagetti, 0,5kg of lettuce, frozen fish of some sort and toilet paper. I'll give you 5 bucks for it, deal?"


Seems quite insane doesn't it?

I have two methods in dealing with "offer" guys;


If I'm in good mood

"sry i'm bad at givin offers, just tell me what you want for it please"

If I'm in bad mood

"sry I don't do offers, if you want to sel that just name the price"



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simnel escreveu:

So you're saying that even in a situation where you think you're already ripping the guy off for a huge amount, you will whine to try to get a better price?

Man, this thread contains so many impressive people!


Of course, you should always haggle. I'ts a part of this game lifestyle. If you accept right away with glee guy can start to have second thoughts. It's not about the orbs but good trading customs ;)


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reboticon escreveu:

Thanks, that mostly make sense, but if someone is an ele character to the point that 25% ele damage is OP for them, wouldn't the 2% leech be a waste, since it only applies to physical damage?


Could be but most of characters rely on some sort of life leech, one way or the other.

For example, if you have ring like that AND you grab 2% leech from tree you could probably remove leech gem from main attack sockets. It opens up possibilities.


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I_NO escreveu:
Okay if we do set a price most of you get fucking mad then call us noobs n shit well in my experience and I trade a lot mind you.



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LSN escreveu:
they try making you overpay with this tactic. Simply ignore them when they ask you for an offer and seem this kind of people.

Oftenly ppl also just dont have an idea about price so you can anyway put an offer.


Two sides of the same coin, both of which answered the OP's question accurately. You have people that just genuinely are ignorant and you have those that pretend to be ignorant in order to take advantage of other's ignorance, so the best bet is just to be half-way knowledgeable yourself, in order to prevent being the victim of the latter of the two.
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Peenk escreveu:


Everybody is out for a bargain, I got 7 pm's in 6 hours for this ring all offering under 3 chaos... Do you know what that tells me? A lot of people want this specific ring for a build, so they should stop being cheap cunts and spend orbs.


How can you be mad at people that want to get something cheaply when you apply exactly the same cheap tactic in order to fish for more then it's worth. So if you're an ass, why should I be fair? If you put b/o price somebody could offer near price and you would get rid of poor noobs and save their time and yours.

That ring is pretty good, however quite specific in stats. Elel and physical are seldom wanted togedher. Accuracy is sought after only in crti based builds, mostly. It has no life. It's not that easy to put the price on that.
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Thorien_Kell escreveu:
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Peenk escreveu:


Everybody is out for a bargain, I got 7 pm's in 6 hours for this ring all offering under 3 chaos... Do you know what that tells me? A lot of people want this specific ring for a build, so they should stop being cheap cunts and spend orbs.


How can you be mad at people that want to get something cheaply when you apply exactly the same cheap tactic in order to fish for more then it's worth. So if you're an ass, why should I be fair? If you put b/o price somebody could offer near price and you would get rid of poor noobs and save their time and yours.

That ring is pretty good, however quite specific in stats. Elel and physical are seldom wanted togedher. Accuracy is sought after only in crti based builds, mostly. It has no life. It's not that easy to put the price on that.


That ring is pretty sick for facebreaker builds, tho the accuracy and lightning are worthless. Phys damage stuff always sells very well.

I'm weird about rings because instead of paying 20 chaos for one, I'd rather trade it for 50 alchs and alch 50 77+ rings.
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