A cornerstone of ARPGs is replay value

It literally only took ~20 hours of Baal/Cow/Über runs in D2 to hit level ~80. Getting endgame items (runewords!) only took a little longer because other players were always happy to trade high runes for pgems which were common as alchs. Yet D2 still had no trouble lasting 10+ years because of replay value.

I would say a single piece of endgame gear (bringer of rain) in PoE takes longer to get than a full set of hammerdin gear on USWest ladder... Including enigma, shako, hoto, zakarum, etc etc

The fact that PoE deliberately has dumb grind/RNG obstacles to slow progress to Korean hamster wheel grinder levels makes me wonder if GGG doesn't have faith in their own game's replay value...

I don't know about D2 (classic), but I am finding PoE less "repeatable" than Median.
Maybe Lazbro is reading this? <3 you Laz. Median was the shit.

Dat lunaris lvl 68 *tear slowly falling down my cheek*

rolling new characters is key to ARPGs replayability

Races, new leagues, and TONS of end game viable builds(some require gear yes, but still viable) makes this game easily replayable for everyone and anyone. Its the top of the ladder thats nearly impossoble to hit normally. The amount of grinding to get to the end is where this 'korean hampster wheel' thing you mention is. It doesnt take but a few days to get to 75 in this game.

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Ludvator escreveu:

rolling new characters is key to ARPGs replayability

You can roll new characters in PoE....if you sell your 2k+ hours played main to fund an alt.

Dear "Mr.I have 25 chars at level 60 all wearing inferior gear", I'm not talking about you casual players.

Just having races trumps any replayability contest between this and D2.
I may have played through D2's story 30 times.
Im already at around 200 races played for PoE I think.

But I do miss being able to cheat level characters. Saw my friend get to 70 in a couple of hours once. That would be useful here.

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Zalm escreveu:

Races, new leagues, and TONS of end game viable builds(some require gear yes, but still viable) makes this game easily replayable for everyone and anyone. Its the top of the ladder thats nearly impossoble to hit normally. The amount of grinding to get to the end is where this 'korean hampster wheel' thing you mention is. It doesnt take but a few days to get to 75 in this game.

I don't like races and I like to stick with my chars a long time. Well I like my lunaris and still farm it like crazy. But at 81+ the progression is really starting to get slow, and well, mapping has some issues imo.

If I would get really shiny loot I wouldn't mind so much, so either progression (albeit a bit slow) or l00tz. Hopefully both.

PS: i play games to enjoy myself

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nGio escreveu:

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Ludvator escreveu:

rolling new characters is key to ARPGs replayability

You can roll new characters in PoE....if you sell your 2k+ hours played main to fund an alt.

Dear "Mr.I have 25 chars at level 60 all wearing inferior gear", I'm not talking about you casual players.

If you have played this game for 2k hours and cant afford to fund up at least three more builds, your obviously not picking anything up other than 'end game uniques' when you farm.

I have 4 builds past level 75 now, all of which are capable of soloing most 70+ maps with gear found and funded from my original 80+ summoner. I have less than 2k hours in this game.

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nGio escreveu:

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Ludvator escreveu:

rolling new characters is key to ARPGs replayability

You can roll new characters in PoE....if you sell your 2k+ hours played main to fund an alt.

Dear "Mr.I have 25 chars at level 60 all wearing inferior gear", I'm not talking about you casual players.

Watch out, we got a badass over here.