"This loot system is flawed and needs to change!!"

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mrmath escreveu:

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KorganBloodaxe escreveu:

Also: You're the third FFA-supporter in this thread that said you don't take others people's stuff anyway. Why do you need the FFA loot then?

Because its fun! As I said before, I generally play with friends in private parties and we full share everything.

Sometimes I play pubs just for a change of pace. 90% of those games, people respect each others loot. 10% of the time everyone guns for everything, even to the point of trying to lure other players into bad spots and trash talking. It's different and fun, and also, relevant to you and the others who want an option for full instanced, its *very unusual*. Most so-called "ninjas" happen after a big fight and no one can remember whose is what anyway. In fact in a couple hundred hours of play, I can only remember having been in a handful of parties where everyone was outright gunning for everything. People are generally pretty courteous about loot.
And to beat a dead horse drum, this can all be completely mitigated by you being aware of the drops, prioritizing by value and making sure you get your stuff.

It forces you to be observant and responsive. This is not a bad quality in a design choice.

So even though me and my party mates already generally "instance" our loot manually, I appreciate having the option to go rogue should the situation dictate. Adding an instancing option for public parties would probably mean the end of that, because a majority of people don't want to actually think about it, they want it simpler.. and easier... I don't (and apparently GGG agree) think that PoE is, or should ever be, that kind of game.

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mrmath escreveu:

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tinghshi escreveu:

And again: Why should everyone happily adapt to the way you like it to be?
Because apparently, D2 was a flawless game, and making any changes to its system, for better or worse, will automatically make this game D3.

Speaking of strawmen...

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mrmath escreveu:

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tinghshi escreveu:

And again: Why should everyone happily adapt to the way you like it to be?
Because apparently, D2 was a flawless game, and making any changes to its system, for better or worse, will automatically make this game D3.

Speaking of strawmen...

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KorganBloodAxe escreveu:

And fracturing the playerbase to thousands of solo-players is better?
I think you're afraid of the possibility that the FFA league would get empty.

And again: Why should everyone happily adapt to the way you like it to be?

The way I like it to be? I've adapted to THE WAY IT IS. Unlike you I'm not demanding game changes due to personal preference. I adapted to the game. You want it the other way around.

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mrmath escreveu:

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Hadrijan escreveu:

Make the timer last a bit longer if nothing else.

As it stands now we have a legion of ninja looters in this, i must say great game, who are not even being very helpful in fights, instead they are waiting for a chance to pick everything up like bloody vultures and are usually very eager to leave some insulting remark toward the rest of the party after the fight is over and their bag is full.

This is ruining the party based play experience especially for those who play ranged classes and there are plenty of those.

A legion?

People outright trolling parties by doing nothing but going for drops and trashtalking are exceedingly rare.

The vast majority of public parties are not like this at all. Join another party.

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nimbukie escreveu:

I believe something needs to change, but not sure that I want them to spend too much of their precious development time on reworking the loot system completly. I'd be happy with the timer being increased to about as long as it takes for us to finish off a particually nasty rare maybe 30-60 seconds. That way if I'm "that guy" that doesn't pick up his loot my team can come back after the fact and mop up.

This change would do the following:

First, I'm not disenaging from the fight to loot, which causes uneeded risk to the party and myself.

Second, My team members are not disengaging from the fight to hover over loot that has someone else's name on it waiting for the timer to wear off.



And then if after the timer goes off you loot something without your name on it no one can call you a ninja.....

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The problem is the current system doesn't benefit anyone. You always have people scrambling to get items over fighting targets which is a significant problem for ranged characters.

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maxg escreveu:

I'd like to see loot options added to the screen when the party is formed. Playing with pick-up-groups is a real downer when you get your stuff looted, especially in large groups of mobs. If I'm tanking to keep you from dying, it's a real shitty thing to do. Asking me to stop tanking to run across the screen to loot is silly.