One Shot Mechanic is ruining the gaming experience, listen to the community

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Phrazz escreveu:

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Somebi escreveu:

This game definitely lacking some slider for game difficulty in the settings.

A slider? In an online-only game where everyone plays in the same ecosystem? Tell me, how would that work?

As I've said before: In PoE, you have A LOT of control over the difficulty yourself. You are in control over the tiers you run. You are in control over the mods you're facing. You are in control over the gear you wear. The whole God damn progression system in the game is built around risk/reward.

Where the hell do we draw the line? Jimmy gets one-shot with 3k health, wearing an Abyssus in a T1 map. "One-shot mechanics are bad", he shouts. The player or the game's fault? Johnny gets one-shot in a T16 with 5k health with no other forms of mitigation, trying to tackle a rare map with 3 damage mods. Player or the game's fault?

Should lack of defense/gear NEVER kill you? Should running overly dangerous maps NEVER kill you? Should running a sub-par build NEVER kill you? "Well of course it should, just not in one shot". That's cute and all, but if people can't see that this requires them to TOTALLY rework every single defensive/regeneration/leech mechanic in the game, they are blind.

"One-shots" aren't a mechanic. They're a result of A LOT of factors, most of which you are in control over yourself.

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MasterTBC escreveu:

The game has nothing to do with player skill

One shots are simply RNG

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MasterTBC escreveu:

playing low content or increasing your defence will lower the chance for one shot but you will never reach 0%

The problem is that in high content the chance to get one shot is just way to high and even op builds can get one shotted

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MasterTBC escreveu:

They should increase player HP significantly and then reintroduce proper mechanics that you need to and can dodge to create actual challenge while other non telegraphed damage shouldnt be able to deal more than 10% of your HP

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Crackmonster escreveu:

Since everyone seems to think this is a good answer is the time i come to point out this is a misleading answer.

Your examples are far removed from the reality of the oneshot complaints for example, and the only point they reassert is oneshots should happen but in order for your overall desired conclusion to seem plausible you blur the lines big time and investigate shitty built characters that are not representative of the current situation or even touches on current superscaling where even extremely well constructed defensive characters get instagibbed. All so you can support your far-removed-from-reality conclusion that it's never the game's design flaw that oneshots occur.

The one thing you are correct about is that it's certainly not a "mechanic" but a deeper result of underlying issues. What you don't seem to comprehend is that is it very fair to give basic feedback like oneshots happen and should be removed from the game. Why? Because they convey an emotion as feedback, devs know what ultimate symptom of their design is frustrating the player with this feedback and it is up to them to address it.

Seriously, all you are doing in your post is shifting away responsibility for the experiences the game leads players into, away from the devs and blame it on the player. I tell you now, the human animal reacts with basic psychology to game design and it is the very game design that leads them to have better or worse experiences with certain games. But all you are saying is "oh no the devs are not to blame as is well". Your post is misleading, you are just tired of listening to complaints about poe bad design because you possibly can cope better than the average person, and so you lash out.

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Dragoon_Diver escreveu:

you must be new to the game
poe ever since before 3.0 was Always about avoiding one-shots
if you want to stay your ground and kill damage-sponge enemies you are playing the wrong game

the real complaint maybe is the learning curve of the game

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Crackmonster escreveu:

It is true you haven't said they don't exist. What i am trying to say if you start from tabula rasa and listen you what you said, you pointed the fingers at players and said the game got what is needed.

And i am trying to tell you that people react according to normal psychological patterns. I'll give you an example, you can gimp yourself and run white maps to avoid dying, this is one of those knobs you are talking about, but the reality is most players will much rather try to play the way they want and throw themselves against the rare map wall get frustrated and leave. Same for endgame atlas boss, they will rather frustrate themselves and leave than just resign to skip because broken and feelbad. Those are prime examples of why tha just because a theoretical system is in place it does not mean that it is functioning well from a realistic gameplay perspective.

And from a realistic gameplay perspective PoE has a LOT of issues and i for one am tired of listening to community excusing GGG. I want community to stand together and straight up demand better quality from ggg instead of getting bent over while they are busy pumping quantity. It is years past the time when good faith runs out and you should no longer be quiet while hoping for the best. Meanwhile that, GGG retreated from forums never show a damn attention here while patting reddit on the back in patch notes. I tell you man, lots of us had enough of that amateurish approach(opposite of professional sadly that is the factual word).

The only thing you can say is, they are in their right to not care at all and do wtf they want. But then again that lead them here with people already waiting for years for someone to take the ARPG mantle that actually gives a fuck. That is just the facts, PoE has wasted so much of its potential by neglecting feedback and having a limited focus for years. By not having ambition, by not having dreams to build a better world.

They say it themselves they are aiming a business model around a small team and aiming for a quite small stable number of players. They don't reach for greatness, they are content to not be trying to solve enough problems and just deliver more because they are quite happy as is. Taking 2-5 years to version 1 address basic problems, neglecting any attempt at a good social experience. Etc. Just neglecting all design wisdom and doing wtf they want tralalalalalaaa. This subjective reality is what is really gnawing at people, that GGG isn't trying. People will rather follow somewhere where dreams are still alive, and when forced to confront them being dead they seek another place where they still live.

That is exactly why i recently shared my prediction not many leagues after poe 2.0 when all shadow of doubt is gone poe is gonna "fix" things, it will finally be over for PoE prime and the ARPG genre will enter the wait for the successor not expecting it to come from GGG. It also matches the duration games usually stay dominating when people had enough of same game and inspiration has run out, some up to 10 years on top. People will move on to where dreams of the future lie, and peo will remain with a quite solid playerbase going forward but everyone know now what it is and that's what you get. We can only hope the successor is going to take the player experience more seriously - and if they do they could reach 10x+ the number of players PoE had. PoE didn't manage to capture most D2 players, it was and is hardcore game and didn't approach complexity through simplicity - the true genius level of design where that reveals overcomplexity doesn't make better. Like music, keep throwing extra sounds in there and it won't get better, it's about a great balance between simple elements to create the greatest.