The truth about RMT and Botting

Most of you really mix inflation with RMT and bots. They do influence it more than a normal player. I guess this is what an angry crowd does. It's less then 0.1% of players that can bot/multibox and trade without getting baned. Their impact is nonexistent. Even if there were 1k bots running around just now working for rmt which is a silly number, because it would require the rmt company to have at least 500 good pcs while they have something like 10-20 the impact would not be anything amazing. Lets say the impact of those 1k bots is 4 times as big as average player. Something like 100 k players or more plays this game and a record was 53k at the same time. That would be respectively 4% and 8% of orbs found and the bots don't even sell uniques they get since the low level ones are worthless. If we use realistic numbers - 100 bots total we get something like 0.5% orbs total. Even with the unrealistic numbers the pressure on the economy is not the source of inflation or the reason. Players that play the game are responsible for 92%+ of inflation in any given scenario or game mechanics, call it as you want.

I'm not gonna discuss the fact of our diamond supporters being special.

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MGTopgun escreveu:

I see you are new to this genre, well this is how it works.

yes, Topgun. you got me. I'm a n00b in this game, and extremely new to the genre.
what happens when I click the left mouse button, again?

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johnKeys escreveu:

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MGTopgun escreveu:

I see you are new to this genre, well this is how it works.

yes, Topgun. you got me. I'm a n00b in this game, and extremely new to the genre.
what happens when I click the left mouse button, again?

No char in any ladder, best result in a race : 380th ... From poestatistic, you never experienced a high level mob, a high level map, etc. So, in that definition, yes you are a newcomer (the first definition of noob, newb or newbie).

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Hovergame escreveu:

No char in any ladder, best result in a race : 380th ... From poestatistic, you never experienced a high level mob, a high level map, etc. So, in that definition, yes you are a newcomer (the first definition of noob, newb or newbie).

1) Dead (old) HC characters.
2) Alternate accounts.

Just sayin'.

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ScrotieMcB escreveu:

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Hovergame escreveu:

No char in any ladder, best result in a race : 380th ... From poestatistic, you never experienced a high level mob, a high level map, etc. So, in that definition, yes you are a newcomer (the first definition of noob, newb or newbie).

1) Dead (old) HC characters.
2) Alternate accounts.

Just sayin'.

it's neither, actually. I have only one account, and both my HC (3 if counting Onslaught) characters are very much alive. one of them started in a race (finished 380th), and proceeded to HC because I joined a few minutes before the race time ended.

most people who check Poestatistics about a person, fail to realize that site shows the current situation - which for me is indeed no characters in the top 15000 of any ladder.
in extreme cases, Poestatistics can even make people like Charan look like newbies. look him up and see for yourself.

I had characters in all ladders including Default (Standard), but took long breaks and played only a few hours a day at best - which means my chars got "pushed out" of the ladder with time.
Poestatistics won't show you this, unless your character still is in the ladder. only then you can click it and see it's xp, hours played and ranking history.

some of the people who started at the same time I did, are now the top ladder ranks and popular streamers you know and love. other more casual ones, are ranked a bit lower with characters well above level 80.
I'm not. sadly, I can't afford to play this game as much as I would like to.
the highest level map I experienced was level 72 I think ("torture chamber"). the toughest map bosses I ever fought solo were Penitentiary Incarcerator the Brutus clone, followed by the post-patch Blacksmith.
Temple Piety and the Underground Sea Totem boss also, but we took them on as a party. I hate Shock Stacks.

but enough about me. let's get back on topic in this thread.

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ShaeG escreveu:

The only way to truly make a blow to RMT is to make orbs common. So much more that the only true bartering going on is between items. If there is no value in currency, supply becomes insignificant.

Obviously you didn't play D2. All people need to do then is buy items, can skip currency completely.

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lososthefish escreveu:

Most of you really mix inflation with RMT and bots. They do influence it more than a normal player. I guess this is what an angry crowd does. It's less then 0.1% of players that can bot/multibox and trade without getting baned. Their impact is nonexistent. Even if there were 1k bots running around just now working for rmt which is a silly number, because it would require the rmt company to have at least 500 good pcs while they have something like 10-20 the impact would not be anything amazing. Lets say the impact of those 1k bots is 4 times as big as average player. Something like 100 k players or more plays this game and a record was 53k at the same time. That would be respectively 4% and 8% of orbs found and the bots don't even sell uniques they get since the low level ones are worthless. If we use realistic numbers - 100 bots total we get something like 0.5% orbs total. Even with the unrealistic numbers the pressure on the economy is not the source of inflation or the reason. Players that play the game are responsible for 92%+ of inflation in any given scenario or game mechanics, call it as you want.

I'm not gonna discuss the fact of our diamond supporters being special.

You are very very incorrect and naive to the world of botting and RMT. There are ways to never get caught that are so easy to apply. Blizzard spent millions of dollars on WARDEN and botting is so common you can find multiple bots in every single zone/continent in the game. I botted in wow for over 6 years. Never got caught. Never got banned. The bot was undetectable using a non injected script. The bot was so well designed it acted like a real person playing. With 2 bots I held a monopoly on certain items on my server and was gold capped on 2 characters. I bought my whole guild their epic flying. I had any item I wanted, I payed to get carried in the best raids "What if a gm or someone messaged you"? I just replied to them with my smart phone from work. I don't do this crap anymore because it ruins the game for you when you have everything. But for a lot of people out there it is an unfortunate option to get on top.

Naive people who don't know the world of botting think its not so bad of a problem. You have probably already partied with bots....it's just like the drug world that is literally EVERYWHERE and people that have only dabbled or never done have no idea..not a single clue they can't see the signs or spot another... It takes one to know one.

Blizzard had 10 million players. We have 100k. Managing such a small population of gamers is not that hard and bots are not running rampant. You are utterly missing my points almost every time and focus on something entirely different. I have some experience with bots from server management side. This "I know better attitude" supported only by self invented statements does not convince me. I'm far from naive. It's the exact opposite. I just know that people always get what they want. I know some people bash other people for wanting something in their option immoral. The later get bent after some time. That's how cultural evolution occurs. You can control, guide the needs of people, but if you are trying to stop them by force, you will fail miserably. Exactly how your quoted Blizzard has failed in both of their games. Botting is being actively reduced by staff. Very few people use bots, mostly those who are already at the top of the ladders with the best items. You can check those guys easy when you have 100k players and only dunno - 1k good ones. If you use a bot and still suck... oh well. This problem is like a pumped baloon because you blame people having good items and inflation on bots. Their impact is really minor. Another proof? WoW inflation was not 20% a week, as ours, and they had tens of thousands of bots. Inflation there was very slow and they had GOLD. We have crazy orb barter and crazy high inflation. Bots are an unrelated problem really.

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Hovergame escreveu:

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johnKeys escreveu:

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MGTopgun escreveu:

I see you are new to this genre, well this is how it works.

yes, Topgun. you got me. I'm a n00b in this game, and extremely new to the genre.
what happens when I click the left mouse button, again?

No char in any ladder, best result in a race : 380th ... From poestatistic, you never experienced a high level mob, a high level map, etc. So, in that definition, yes you are a newcomer (the first definition of noob, newb or newbie).

You are so hardcore.

Someone telling how the game is only about grinding (and NOTHING more) has missed the point, and OH MY GOD, he isn't playing any highend content ATM, what a surprise.

The best players were 60+ in less than 20H. Why everybody will more than 20h played (on a given char) isn't level 60+, if the game was ONLY time rewarding ? About looting/crafting, the same logic applies.

My answer : most people (me included) aren't good at this game. But, at least, I can figure why and not only, like 95% of the noobs, say "they are at the top ONLY because thay can play 12h/day". No, you can find streamiers playing 12h/day and not close of the top. Of course, playing 12h/day AND being good is the only way to be at the top of any ladder.

And if you don't have enough time, try races. You don't need to play 12h/day to get a good ranking there.