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Baharoth15 escreveu:
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frostzor27 escreveu:
Poor performance are not always the end user fault.
Not always sure, but mostly. And at the end of the day, if your interested in solving your performance issues instead of just ranting like an idiot, then working on the things you can influence is the way to go.
GGG is constantly working on performance improvements, there has hardly been a major patch lately that didn't have some sort of improvements on that end, they do what they can.
Obviously they can't overhaul their entire 10 year old engine within a few years while throwing out content. So raging and ranting here demanding them to do exactly that is outright stupid.
I am also one of the people who is always last to upgrade his specs, i am usually a couple of years behind the standard and everytime i ran into issues playing a given game i went and upgraded my specs, i didn't waste hours and hours ranting on forums demanding the devs to do something about it. I just can't wrap my head about this level of stupidity. I honestly have the impression that with most of the constant whiners here, they aren't even interested in actual solutions, they just want to be toxic and rant to their hearts content. And sorry to say but i have absolutely no tolerance or empathy for this kind of shitty behavior.
As it stands, my current specs are barely average, old graphic card, average cpu and an SSD and the game runs just fine. The only time i have an FPS drop is after initially activating a legion monolith when all the frozen monsters appear all at once.
You're on such a high horse, you probably can't even tell what planet you're on from up there.
You even say things like, "behavior like this."
Your entire post is trying so desperately to stay hateful. You actually tell yourself whatever you need to hear to continue your predetermined path.
Big yikes...
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Sarn88 escreveu:
It always amuses me when people demand to have both great performance on their super old hardware and technological advancements in graphics, physics, IA etc.
And then this post adding in a little extra somethin' somethin' that nobody has ever said.
NOBODY complaining about performance issues is also trying to play on max settings. And you know that. You just wanted to strawman the shit out of us. Because fallacies are much easier to attack than the actual issue.
My garbage laptop runs PSO2 crystal clear, and can even push the settings a little bit. Fully 3D game with spell effects everywhere, other people moving around, and all sorts of things. Cutscenes, yada yada yada.
How does this run perfectly, but with PoE, I legit have to avoid things like a slightly foggy dimension, or a few unique enemies escorting some moving boxes?
Like, it's totally absurd. And EEVVEERRYYOONNEE knows it.
Zero humans are buying into your arguments, or even your positions in general.
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Phrazz escreveu:
I think this is a stupid matter of principle for some.
"The minimum system requirements don't mention an SSD, so I refuse to buy one until they do. We all know the minimum requirements should've been updated a long time ago, but because I'm stubborn, I will always refer to them when I'm debating. Improve my system on a general basis? Off the table".
And for others? They can't afford one, and that's fair.
Yes & yes, I suppose.
I'd say... anyone who doesn't just buy an SSD has one reason or another not to do so. Contrary to what Baha "thinks," no, nobody just wants to complain. Nobody wants to intentionally have a miserable time. Yes, it's easy to dismiss people that way, but what can I say. Some people prefer to take the easy route instead of the honest route.
The whole dispute going on is... ... well, not unsurprising, but just as disappointing anyway. Do you yell at passing bikers to just buy a car? No? Ok, so what makes PoE and SSD's different?
... Then again, maybe your answer wasn't "no". Sure would fit the bill...
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Postado porShadyC#1006em 11 de set. de 2020 00:05:42
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Rexeos escreveu:
Baharoth15 is right.
Weak people seek for excuses. GGG has chosen path and their game is for people who can afford it.
If you cant afford to play game, you lack hardware, than you can nicely ask GGG to adapt to your conditions, but they have zero obligation to respond to your DEMANDS.
Person who instead of solving issues - in this case instead of buying SSD (that works almost for everybody) spend money for example on supporter pack - and than cries is irresponsible and naive.
"Arrogant people look for excuses and choose to blindly believe in their judgement without any retrospect. Not only does this kind of behaviour hinder your future success, it also drives people and allies away from you."
Holy literal shit, LMAO?
I mean, we can gloss over the "weak people" etc. The responses to that are all low hanging fruit.
But our "DEMANDS"??? If anything, it's more like a plea. We want to be able to play the game. Please allow us. There is no demanding. What a shameless strawman this was. Like, utterly shameless. No attempt to even make it believable.
You'll notice nobody's going into the forums of an actually intensive game and asking for optimization. I'm not sitting here complaining that I can't play Last Of Us.
This is fucking PoE. And if your response is, "Yeah? How is that any different," then you need to check yourself.
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Postado porShadyC#1006em 11 de set. de 2020 00:11:40
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ShadyC, did you just say in the above post "no, nobody just wants to complain" ?
I know you've been a troll poster a bit, but there goes any shadow of a doubt.
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Postado porBleu42#4018em 11 de set. de 2020 00:12:16
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Nah - how about you're the troll.
There. I labeled you a troll.
Now, nothing you say is ever right. Cuz I called you a troll.
(Am I foruming right?)
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Postado porShadyC#1006em 11 de set. de 2020 00:15:04
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frostzor27 escreveu:
For you, is GGG a super duper hyper very good uber develop companhy that never did anything wrong? Are you sure there are zero issues with PoE file system? For real, is it all the players fault, ever?!?!
Yes. This is intentional behavior on their part.
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My theory... (Off-topic alert.)
People latch onto this game because they just aren't very good at games in general. (And there's nothing wrong with that.)
It's a game where there "veteranship" finally means that they are better than some other players. Better than newbies. It makes them feel good.
They are used to, in other games, still probably not being better than half the newbies, despite having veteranship over them. Something like Counterstrike, a PoE player might play CS for years and be worse than a naturally skilled newbie just picking up the game. And it makes that person feel bad.
PoE is not difficult. But it is certainly complicated to a newcomer, where natural skill doesn't really show for anything.
Buying a top-end CPU and having a decade of experience puts you at a distinct advantage over a newbie in Path of Exile, and so people cling to this game to feel like they are an elite gamer, as evidence of those that quit the game because they "couldn't handle it".
This theory of mine also seems evident in how people love to "push people out" of PoE, instead of support criticism and try to improve the game.
If this game does not improve, then their veteranship remains a strength over the newcomers, and pushing a struggling/unsatisfied player out of the game is like "winning" to these PoE clingers.
Yes, I do believe people legitimately like PoE, too. I mean - I could, if it had its problems fixed. But the way people suggest it has no issues, and the way they push people out, and just... all sorts of these strange actions...
It's all led me to this theory.
I'd wager, these diehard PoE fans that seem to oppose fixes, they probably don't have any notable credentials with any other game. PoE is the one where they can feel like a victor. And they will always defend this with their every fiber.
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Postado porShadyC#1006em 11 de set. de 2020 00:16:55
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ShadyC escreveu:
Nah - how about you're the troll.
There. I labeled you a troll.
Now, nothing you say is ever right. Cuz I called you a troll.
(Am I foruming right?)
Nah you got to try the same blight map that crashed your pc 3 times before and have it crash again.
Then blame ggg and not your laptop.
Also you have to rage quit and come back every few days.
Then you're really foruming.
Última edição por CheLseAxGriNN#2468 em 11 de set. de 2020 00:27:23
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Postado porCheLseAxGriNN#2468em 11 de set. de 2020 00:17:00
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ShadyC escreveu:
But our "DEMANDS"??? If anything, it's more like a plea. We want to be able to play the game. Please allow us. There is no demanding. What a shameless strawman this was. Like, utterly shameless. No attempt to even make it believable.
People have been making these pleas since the game came out, and has that got them anywhere? No. So what is the point of continuing to plead?
It doesn't really matter why the game won't run properly on your hardware. Assuming you play games to have fun, then there are only two real choices that you have - upgrade and have a better experience, or stop playing. Being miserable while playing a game just defeats the purpose of playing games in the first place.
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Postado porLennyLen#7361em 11 de set. de 2020 00:20:43
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CheLseAxGriNN escreveu:
Nah you got to try the same blight map that crashed your pc 3 times before and have it crash again.
Then blame ggg and not your laptop.
Well I've found part of the problem.
... Why can't I blame both???
I do blame my laptop.
I also blame GGG.
... WHOA! What a concept!!!!
(????????????)
For the record, I don't crash in more Blight maps than I do crash. (Which I'm sure you know, since you stalk me so avidly.) But that doesn't mean randomly being forced to lose 35-40 Chaos because GGG can't untangle their spaghetti AND because my laptop is old and not really meant for games (despite that it can run many more advanced games than PoE just fine)... is any less frustrating.
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LennyLen escreveu:
People have been making these pleas since the game came out, and has that got them anywhere? No. So what is the point of continuing to plead?
It doesn't really matter why the game won't run properly on your hardware. Assuming you play games to have fun, then there are only two real choices that you have - upgrade and have a better experience, or stop playing. Being miserable while playing a game just defeats the purpose of playing games in the first place.
New people, new plea. Sorry, we don't all hold monthly conferences to see if anyone has already made the one post.
When you say, "People have been making this plea for years," it's funny how that means one thing to you, and another thing to me.
Anyway, I've been enjoying playing a game that runs fine, so all this PoE nonsense is behind me. I just thought I'd see what fallacies are brewing in this thread. You guys did not disappoint.
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Postado porShadyC#1006em 11 de set. de 2020 00:30:20
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K. See you again when you complain about having to download a patch as well.
The patch that's trying to make the game play better for people with bad setups like you.
But like I said before.
/whoosh.
And remember. It's ggg's fault,
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ShadyC escreveu:
because my laptop is old and not really meant for games
Última edição por CheLseAxGriNN#2468 em 11 de set. de 2020 00:53:51
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Postado porCheLseAxGriNN#2468em 11 de set. de 2020 00:35:15
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ShadyC escreveu:
New people, new plea. Sorry, we don't all hold monthly conferences to see if anyone has already made the one post.
You've been here almost as long as I have, and you've made nearly four times as many posts in that time. If you can't spot the trend, that's on you.
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Postado porLennyLen#7361em 11 de set. de 2020 00:54:44
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