Fellow HDD players: I thinke we're being saved

I think this is a stupid matter of principle for some.

"The minimum system requirements don't mention an SSD, so I refuse to buy one until they do. We all know the minimum requirements should've been updated a long time ago, but because I'm stubborn, I will always refer to them when I'm debating. Improve my system on a general basis? Off the table".

And for others? They can't afford one, and that's fair.

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ShadyC escreveu:

and I have given it too much of my money,

should've saved that money towards upgrading your pc

It always amuses me when people demand to have both great performance on their super old hardware and technological advancements in graphics, physics, IA etc.

For all of You HDD lovers its not 2010 anymore You can safely uprage to SSD which is not the most expensive piece of hardware u need to have in ur PC. In fact concidering new mobo prices it is really one of the cheapest components.

Small note tho. Are we going to ask SDRAM enthusiasts to have a vote for the game to be hold back to SDRAM standards? Anyone? No? So there u go, get a freaking ssd (for less than a supporter pack price).


EDIT: HDD still has its uses (mainly storage still, but not for long). Even to office I cannot imagine ordering a workstation with a mechanical drive as a main drive.

Coding problems must be solved by the developers, not by the end user. Is that difficult to understand?

It's the same if your car has a manufacturing problem and instead of a recall you just go and buy a new engine...

This falacy of "want games run full settings on old pc" must stop. This is not the case of many people. For instance I bought a new gaming laptop last year with one of the most powerfull configs available. And only, and it's literally the only game that I have loading problems is PoE. Because you know the actual coding is not good, period.

Also the other falacy of "stubborn to buy SSD" must also stop. People like me are not stubborn, the moment I realize my gear became obsolete I go and buy a new full gaming laptop or PC with the best configuration available.

Maybe you must don't play other games, but the moment you realize even Crysis runs on max setting with no fps drops or outrageous loading times whereas PoE takes ages to load textures and freezes with on the fly loadings or the FPS goes negative when you play VD the problem is with PoE not with your gaming gear.

At least try to have some empathy and understand the others viewpoint. Poor performance are not always the end user fault.

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frostzor27 escreveu:

Poor performance are not always the end user fault.

Not always sure, but mostly. And at the end of the day, if your interested in solving your performance issues instead of just ranting like an idiot, then working on the things you can influence is the way to go.

GGG is constantly working on performance improvements, there has hardly been a major patch lately that didn't have some sort of improvements on that end, they do what they can.
Obviously they can't overhaul their entire 10 year old engine within a few years while throwing out content. So raging and ranting here demanding them to do exactly that is outright stupid.
I am also one of the people who is always last to upgrade his specs, i am usually a couple of years behind the standard and everytime i ran into issues playing a given game i went and upgraded my specs, i didn't waste hours and hours ranting on forums demanding the devs to do something about it. I just can't wrap my head about this level of stupidity. I honestly have the impression that with most of the constant whiners here, they aren't even interested in actual solutions, they just want to be toxic and rant to their hearts content. And sorry to say but i have absolutely no tolerance or empathy for this kind of shitty behavior.

As it stands, my current specs are barely average, old graphic card, average cpu and an SSD and the game runs just fine. The only time i have an FPS drop is after initially activating a legion monolith when all the frozen monsters appear all at once.

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Baharoth15 escreveu:

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frostzor27 escreveu:

Poor performance are not always the end user fault.

Not always sure, but mostly. And at the end of the day, if your interested in solving your performance issues instead of just ranting like an idiot, then working on the things you can influence is the way to go.

No this is a problem on ggg's end. I.. and every single professional dev in this thread can vouch that the worst "solution" to a performance issue is to tell every user to brute force the performance with better hardware.

I don't know how to explain further as it is self explanatory. You see an issue, it has a common denominator. The common denominator is the game itself. You fix the common denominator, not everything else around it.

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yamface escreveu:

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Baharoth15 escreveu:

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frostzor27 escreveu:

Poor performance are not always the end user fault.

Not always sure, but mostly. And at the end of the day, if your interested in solving your performance issues instead of just ranting like an idiot, then working on the things you can influence is the way to go.

No this is a problem on ggg's end. I.. and every single professional dev in this thread can vouch that the worst "solution" to a performance issue is to tell every user to brute force the performance with better hardware.

I don't know how to explain further as it is self explanatory. You see an issue, it has a common denominator. The common denominator is the game itself. You fix the common denominator, not everything else around it.

Baharoth15 is right.

Weak people seek for excuses. GGG has chosen path and their game is for people who can afford it.

If you cant afford to play game, you lack hardware, than you can nicely ask GGG to adapt to your conditions, but they have zero obligation to respond to your DEMANDS.

Person who instead of solving issues - in this case instead of buying SSD (that works almost for everybody) spend money for example on supporter pack - and than cries is irresponsible and naive.

"Arrogant people look for excuses and choose to blindly believe in their judgement without any retrospect. Not only does this kind of behaviour hinder your future success, it also drives people and allies away from you."

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Rexeos escreveu:

Baharoth15 is right.

Weak people seek for excuses. GGG has chosen path and their game is for people who can afford it.

GGG has chosen bad developers. The reason why asset loading takes long is because they chose to use a monolithic file structure for the game. That is a bad programming practice done by bad developers. You are defending bad developers and bad practices.

I guess the next time I watch empyrians stream and he has less than 20 fps (which is almost every time), I should tell him it's his fault for using a $4k pc instead of a $10k pc, because it's never the bad developer's fault for making a poorly performing game. Path of exile is a state of the art game that requires good gaming hardware so that the bad developers can still have their jobs. Did I get this right?

Rexeos and Baharoth are just delusional here. Despite saying that only PoE has problems because of bad programing and all other games work in max settings they insist that it's a problem in my laptop, the end game user.

Why not just say "sorry we were wrong, GGG programers made bad decisions and it's ok to demand a game optimization"? Is that difficult?

For you, is GGG a super duper hyper very good uber develop companhy that never did anything wrong? Are you sure there are zero issues with PoE file system? For real, is it all the players fault, ever?!?!

The worst blind is the one who refuses to see.

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Rexeos escreveu:

but they have zero obligation to respond to your DEMANDS.

Of course not. People 'demanding' that developers use time and resources to support dying hardware, should think twice. However, that doesn't mean it's not a good idea for the developers to support it - in some cases. When it comes to HDD's, though, I'm not sure - but this seems like an overall improvement, and not JUST for HDD's.