A cornerstone of ARPGs is replay value

I like everything about PoE except
-fusing mechanics i get a 6link some dont get one in 1000fuses not fair nor skillbased
-exalting should apply mods of the current ilvl of the item and not +5lightradius or +1thorns who in his right mind can roll rares with exalts properly and erase copypaste em with eternals efficiently ? we would all love to do that but right now its reserved for the botters / legit trade2win fellas
There is something about drops then too.
It´s this weird eery feeling i get everytime i loot the exact same unique in two consecutive runs.

One was Alphas howl in 2 maps after another.
One was a Prism blade bla twice in 2 consecutive domino runs.
2 araku tikis in one MAP.
2 woodsplitters in a very small timeframe too i could really go on with this but you get the memo.

I never experienced this in any other RPG so i can safely assume the unique droprate is sketchy as a motherfucker.
However it works , it clearly works AGAINST you.
i played for a week straight maps with hybrid MF combatgear 225-189%
i´ve gotten these out of the sea of crap and its still kinda crap


these were my latest "highlights" in my eyes mainly "crap" because ive too high expectations from PoE but since i also found other stuff for me by myself with AND without IIR im kinda bamboozled how the unique and highendrare system works.

I really cant tell any difference between a 66rare and 76map anymore.
It´s so small that i stopped caring right now and gone back to doing lowmaps and dominus instead of stressing myself over deathpenalties in a lagridden game (yes desyncs sometimes STILL kill me after a month ingame playtime)

lvl 85 got quickly to 86 got drunk (my own fault) and lost everything but thats okay , my own stupidity has nothing to do with the game. it keeps you on your toes and if you wanna map properly solo - better be sober or JUST tipsy.

ANYWAY 1month pure ingame playtime with dominus piety mapfarming up to 77maps(have my first 78s now) i think its way too early to tell how bad droprates actually are for me and others.

Im also sure they will improve them - rework them and as long as more uniques come in , so let it be.
Cant find a Voltaxic ? boofuckinghoo its an epic sex bow , kaoms nerfed ? so what fuck it shitty unlinked chest that gives you xboxhueghp (surely a buildenabler and overall nice item but very overrated)
all of this is besides the point , this game is what you make it out to be.
Wether its a nice timewaste , competition in races or creating new "builds" gemsetups , improving links on your gear - revamping it even and so on.

You really have to ask yourself if your expectations are too high nowadays for games , and especially for something that is entirely free.
Sure i can pirate a game and play solo like an autist but i rather have some chat around the side while i whack mobs for trashitems - the better the reward once something drops.

However exalted divine eternal gemcutters are rare as shit and GGG can go fuck itself with their "economy"

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Hell_Bovine escreveu:

It literally only took ~20 hours of Baal/Cow/Über runs in D2 to hit level ~80. Getting endgame items (runewords!) only took a little longer because other players were always happy to trade high runes for pgems which were common as alchs. Yet D2 still had no trouble lasting 10+ years because of replay value.

I would say a single piece of endgame gear (bringer of rain) in PoE takes longer to get than a full set of hammerdin gear on USWest ladder... Including enigma, shako, hoto, zakarum, etc etc

The fact that PoE deliberately has dumb grind/RNG obstacles to slow progress to Korean hamster wheel grinder levels makes me wonder if GGG doesn't have faith in their own game's replay value...

Play solo self-found and you will find that its nothing like a Korean grindfest. Just by you mentioning that a high-lvl, hard-to-find unique item is your idea of endgame gear tells it's own story. You don't need BiS items (or thereabouts) to be considered 'endgame'...

Why are people surprised that they dont find upgrades when they buy all their gear. It was the same in D2.

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Hell_Bovine escreveu:

It literally only took ~20 hours of Baal/Cow/Über runs in D2 to hit level ~80. Getting endgame items (runewords!) only took a little longer because other players were always happy to trade high runes for pgems which were common as alchs. Yet D2 still had no trouble lasting 10+ years because of replay value.

I would say a single piece of endgame gear (bringer of rain) in PoE takes longer to get than a full set of hammerdin gear on USWest ladder... Including enigma, shako, hoto, zakarum, etc etc

The fact that PoE deliberately has dumb grind/RNG obstacles to slow progress to Korean hamster wheel grinder levels makes me wonder if GGG doesn't have faith in their own game's replay value...

What an array of bullshit, where the fuk you found players willing to give you HR for PGMs?? -.- maybe in NL, not in ladder for sure

take my old D2 account fillthefire///hawkslayer, build me a full hammerdin PvP gear in less than 3 months in the new ladder

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Zanixx escreveu:

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Hell_Bovine escreveu:

It literally only took ~20 hours of Baal/Cow/Über runs in D2 to hit level ~80. Getting endgame items (runewords!) only took a little longer because other players were always happy to trade high runes for pgems which were common as alchs. Yet D2 still had no trouble lasting 10+ years because of replay value.

I would say a single piece of endgame gear (bringer of rain) in PoE takes longer to get than a full set of hammerdin gear on USWest ladder... Including enigma, shako, hoto, zakarum, etc etc

The fact that PoE deliberately has dumb grind/RNG obstacles to slow progress to Korean hamster wheel grinder levels makes me wonder if GGG doesn't have faith in their own game's replay value...

Play solo self-found and you will find that its nothing like a Korean grindfest. Just by you mentioning that a high-lvl, hard-to-find unique item is your idea of endgame gear tells it's own story. You don't need BiS items (or thereabouts) to be considered 'endgame'...

Why are people surprised that they dont find upgrades when they buy all their gear. It was the same in D2.

also what you forgot to imply but ill do for you - they barely have any IIR or IIQ and they still wonder why "nothing" drops.

D2 was developed over many many years, runewords not even being included for the first ~ 4 years (guesstimate im not exactly sure when they were introduced relative to expansion release). So Yes a FINSIHED D2 was more sustainable/exciting/rewarding than a 2 year only POE. Brilliant find Sherlock, give it time.

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Hell_Bovine escreveu:

It literally only took ~20 hours of Baal/Cow/Über runs in D2 to hit level ~80.

You can easily reach level 80 in 40-50 hours when untwinked. That is on your first character in a new league. Probably around 25 hours twinked. I don't see the problem here.

D2 endgame was repetitive, but at least it was free instead of the pay to pay then rely on luck endgame we have here.

I think POE is far superior to any past or present ARPG with everything except endgame.

Having to spend multitudes of currency and then rely on luck in order to gain exp to level your character is not a design I particularly like.

I just think it's silly that's it's pretty much impossible to level a character past a certain point if you play solo without having to spend tons of currency rolling maps, then buying maps once those maps run out, rinse repeat .... just to get some EXP on my character.

My solution would be to give us access to high level zones where we can actually earn EXP on high level characters. Perhaps have those zones have inherently less Quanity/quality of drops, since they are free zones, then have the current mapping system for the pay to play with 'chances' at valuable items.

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nGio escreveu:

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Ludvator escreveu:

rolling new characters is key to ARPGs replayability

You can roll new characters in PoE....if you sell your 2k+ hours played main to fund an alt.

Dear "Mr.I have 25 chars at level 60 all wearing inferior gear", I'm not talking about you casual players.

If you have 25 characters at level 60, your not casual.

You have invested just as much time but with a different set of priorities. You can also point and laugh at the guy with only a single character for limiting his game experience to a single build while simultaneously complaining about lack of replay.

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Kechop escreveu:

I never experienced this in any other RPG so i can safely assume the unique droprate is sketchy as a motherfucker.

I once had 3-4 rares with 20-22 atk-speed from the same piety. So its not just uniques. And when re-alching maps i always wait 5 seconds between attempts. Otherwise u see that same effing TC mod again.

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Kechop escreveu:

However exalted divine eternal gemcutters are rare as shit and GGG can go fuck itself with their "economy"

I dont understand why they made the eternal so friggin rare. What we need is actual crafting. That means upgrading base type, upgrading mod, mod-removal. And dont make these orbs drop 1 in 100 hours.

I think people need to take off the rose tinted glasses when it comes to Diablo 2. It was a good game, sure, but I think people are giving it way too much credit. PoE isn't perfect but neither was Diablo 2.
If PoE has a major issue, it is that GGG are trying to artificially create things that happened organically in Diablo 2.