A cornerstone of ARPGs is replay value

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Zanixx escreveu:

Play solo self-found and you will find that its nothing like a Korean grindfest. Just by you mentioning that a high-lvl, hard-to-find unique item is your idea of endgame gear tells it's own story. You don't need BiS items (or thereabouts) to be considered 'endgame'...

Why are people surprised that they dont find upgrades when they buy all their gear. It was the same in D2.

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Saltygames escreveu:

I dont understand why they made the eternal so friggin rare. What we need is actual crafting. That means upgrading base type, upgrading mod, mod-removal. And dont make these orbs drop 1 in 100 hours.

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Zalm escreveu:

Races, new leagues, and TONS of end game viable builds(some require gear yes, but still viable) makes this game easily replayable for everyone and anyone. Its the top of the ladder thats nearly impossoble to hit normally. The amount of grinding to get to the end is where this 'korean hampster wheel' thing you mention is. It doesnt take but a few days to get to 75 in this game.

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Kechop escreveu:

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Zanixx escreveu:

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Hell_Bovine escreveu:

It literally only took ~20 hours of Baal/Cow/Über runs in D2 to hit level ~80. Getting endgame items (runewords!) only took a little longer because other players were always happy to trade high runes for pgems which were common as alchs. Yet D2 still had no trouble lasting 10+ years because of replay value.

I would say a single piece of endgame gear (bringer of rain) in PoE takes longer to get than a full set of hammerdin gear on USWest ladder... Including enigma, shako, hoto, zakarum, etc etc

The fact that PoE deliberately has dumb grind/RNG obstacles to slow progress to Korean hamster wheel grinder levels makes me wonder if GGG doesn't have faith in their own game's replay value...

Play solo self-found and you will find that its nothing like a Korean grindfest. Just by you mentioning that a high-lvl, hard-to-find unique item is your idea of endgame gear tells it's own story. You don't need BiS items (or thereabouts) to be considered 'endgame'...

Why are people surprised that they dont find upgrades when they buy all their gear. It was the same in D2.

also what you forgot to imply but ill do for you - they barely have any IIR or IIQ and they still wonder why "nothing" drops.

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Artanthos escreveu:

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nGio escreveu:

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Ludvator escreveu:

rolling new characters is key to ARPGs replayability

You can roll new characters in PoE....if you sell your 2k+ hours played main to fund an alt.

Dear "Mr.I have 25 chars at level 60 all wearing inferior gear", I'm not talking about you casual players.

If you have 25 characters at level 60, your not casual.

You have invested just as much time but with a different set of priorities. You can also point and laugh at the guy with only a single character for limiting his game experience to a single build while simultaneously complaining about lack of replay.

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nGio escreveu:

Yes it is. All of my casual friends who used to play would put in 5-10 hours a week and constantly reroll new chars. Would you say that the top 50 ladder players are "casuals"? Of course not. They're climbing mountains while you're climbing stairs. The "grind" to level 60 is nothing compared to the hundreds and thousands of maps die hard players are pounding out after that point.

I almost hit level 80 in the 1w race without the help of a stash full of low level uniques. I could get 5 chars to level 60 in a week with stash tabs full of leveling gear, so yes, I still consider that casual.

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Zalm escreveu:

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nGio escreveu:

Yes it is. All of my casual friends who used to play would put in 5-10 hours a week and constantly reroll new chars. Would you say that the top 50 ladder players are "casuals"? Of course not. They're climbing mountains while you're climbing stairs. The "grind" to level 60 is nothing compared to the hundreds and thousands of maps die hard players are pounding out after that point.

I almost hit level 80 in the 1w race without the help of a stash full of low level uniques. I could get 5 chars to level 60 in a week with stash tabs full of leveling gear, so yes, I still consider that casual.

Honestly, the fact that any of us are discussing the game at this amount of length means none of us are casuals. If anything, I would assume those people who play the game but never talk about it, never google it, never post on the forums are the casuals.

You might have an opinion, but that doesnt make it law. You can sit on any horse anywhere in the kingdom, that doesnt make your horse the best. You judged other peoples fandom to that of yours and calling anyone who doesnt compare to you makes you less of a fan of the game than people who help others, play and enjoy it.

Sit in your tower and judge, we will be down here, enjoying our game.

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Zanixx escreveu:

Play solo self-found and you will find that its nothing like a Korean grindfest. Just by you mentioning that a high-lvl, hard-to-find unique item is your idea of endgame gear tells it's own story. You don't need BiS items (or thereabouts) to be considered 'endgame'...

Why are people surprised that they dont find upgrades when they buy all their gear. It was the same in D2.

Well, let's see: I play completely solo self found.

I've been running around with the same shoes since level 50s, same chest piece since level 30s, and same belt since level 20s (I am now lvl 88).

No, playing self found does not increase your chances at finding upgrades.

EDIT: I crafted a new chest piece lately, it's not better than the one I found at level 30/40 in terms of affixes, but at least it has the basetype I use (AR + EV), so I switched.